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be a consequence. You know, this is, this is not second grade. Right? You don’t get to sit in a <br />corner. You know, this is the real world and it seems to me there has to be a consequence. I <br />don’t know what it is right now. But, you know, the conflict I’m having is I would like you to be <br />able to proceed and do it legally, but there has to be -. We cannot, as my fellow commissioners <br />say, we cannot do it in a way where there’s a precedent, right, that someone comes here and gets <br />told this needs to be done and walks out and proceed anyway, and five years later come back and <br />say, oh, now I want to get the approval and gets it. And then it’s like why did we do it in the first <br />place? I mean that cannot be a result of this. So that’s why I say there has to be some kind of <br />consequences that will deter, if we do approve this, there has to be some kind of condition that <br />deters others from looking at this and saying, well, I can do what I want and they’ll give it to me <br />anyway. <br />WOODWARD: Commissioner Ishibashi. <br />ISHIBASHI: Thank you, Mr. Chair. So we are a special treatment facility? <br />ZELKO: No. <br />ISHIBASHI: No? <br />ZELKO: No, absolutely not. I mean we’re really an overnight youth retreat camp. <br />I think they did not know the meaning of a special treatment facility. <br />ISHIBASHI: Will you be out of Shirakawa or will you not, -? <br />ZELKO: They -. <br />ISHIBASHI: Where you’re working at currently? <br />MCKINNEY: We consider ourselves a retreat camp at the Shirakawa. <br />ZELKO: Because they still do camp on this, I mean they still do farm on this <br />property. The kids still do go out there with a shuttle and they do farm on this. The Shirakawa is <br />really for accommodations. Because that was one of the things, you’re allowed to camp and <br />you’re allowed to farm in Ag. So some of what they were doing, and I’m not speaking to the <br />unpermitted buildings which they absolutely know should not have been done. And, but what <br />I’m talking to is that they actually were farming and camping, which was allowed. It was the <br />overnight part of it that goes against the County Code. And that’s why they started renting in <br />Pahala, Julia Niles rented to them; and now it’s Shirakawa. And I did get a several year lease at <br />the Shirakawa; and I think they plan on continuing to lease there, even if this special permit is <br />approved today. <br />ISHIBASHI: So if the permit is approved we would have to go and work with the <br />Department of Health to get permitted by them? For what? For planting and -? What are we <br />doing that needs Department of Health’s certification? <br />14 <br /> EXHIBIT B <br /> <br />