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MCKINNEY: I think that’s really the big question. <br />ZELKO: That is the question. And they’re going to work with us on that. This is <br />kind of a new thing, I think for Hawaii anyway. And so that’s why we’ve had a hard time fitting <br />into something which is why initially I think they mistakenly put themselves into a special <br />treatment facility which they never would have been able to -. I mean that was just not -. <br />MCKINNEY: I’m not sure. I know the Commission had a lot of questions about that last <br />time. And I think maybe -. It’s funny cause we really were trying to be regulated. And so we <br />came in 2004 well ahead of probably where we should have been. I didn’t have an attorney, I <br />filed everything myself, and still am trying to find out exactly what we are. There are numbers <br />in terms of kids you serve and what you’re called. The Shirakawa offers us a commercial aspect <br />as well. So we’re still really anxious to hear -. <br />ISHIBASHI: Okay, the students we’re bringing in, what are they determined to be, what <br />classification? Special ed, trouble makers, what, what -? <br />MCKINNEY: We like to call them soft kids. They’re not trouble makers. They’re very <br />compliant. Architecturally this is a voluntary program. So while they may be not all happy all <br />the time it is on a voluntary basis. We call them participants. <br />ZELKO: They do have a rather strict emissions policy. So if you have youths that <br />have terrible drug problems they won’t accept them. Violent behavior they won’t accept them. <br />So these are really, I mean, I know we talked about this. They are, they tend to be the people <br />that maybe have been adopted and having a little issues about that, aggrieved, that kind of thing. <br />ISHIBASHI: Being referred by whom, who’s referring this to -? <br />MCKINNEY: These are all referring professionals. All of them therapists, or <br />psychologists, educational consultants, people who work not just with troubled kids but then <br />helping to place them outside of kind of out-patient therapy. <br />ISHIBASHI: Mr. Chairman, thank you. <br />WOODWARD: Commissioner Domingo. <br />DOMINGO: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The way I look at it, my concern is having <br />unpermitted structures on the property. Could somebody from the staff come up, please. What’s <br />the zoning on that property right now? <br />DARROW: Agricultural 20 acres. <br />DOMINGO: Twenty acres. How many structures are allowed on this property at this <br />time? <br />15 <br /> EXHIBIT B <br /> <br />