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LIN: When we look at the SMA areas we always look like erosion <br /> probabilities right, so, in this specific area since it was used for agricultural use in the past and how, <br /> is there some kind of study or some kind of data that's provided by the state or that the County might <br /> have that shows probability of soil erosion off the pali. <br /> ROY: We're actually working on that right now for two reasons. One is the <br /> riparian areas which are left out of the SMA and then the shoreline areas especially along the <br /> Hamakua Coast. The data right now, one of things we're looking at is to improve our rules to take <br /> into account some of the studies that we're looking at. The State doesn't have I consider us the <br /> forgotten isle when it comes to State studies. Big Island is often left out of a lot of that so, we've <br /> taken it upon ourselves to start looking at not only erosion, coastal erosion but hazard potential <br /> which I think is what you're talking about. So, when the applicant approached us with this project it <br /> was good to see that they were moved back, and I had that discussion with the applicant about <br /> coastal erosion and they understood that. Excuse me, and you can look up the coast and they can <br /> look up the coast and see and you can see right next door if you look down way down in the right <br /> hand, far right-hand corner you can see that's a very sharp escarpment. Which means that's eroded <br /> recently. There's some vegetation and the same here you see that bare soil. So, erosion is <br /> predominant along which is typical for these kinds of areas. <br /> So, right now the State hasn't provided anything but, we take it upon ourselves to one push people <br /> back as far as we can and inform them of the hazards that relates to coastal erosion and then provide <br /> them with information with recent or nearby erosion. But, in the long run the State, the County is <br /> working towards coming up with for one example would be instead of the typical 40-foot minimum <br /> shoreline setback in an area like this we may say for every 1-foot of cliff height you would need to <br /> be 1 1/z feet back. So these are ideas that we're still kind of working through but we're gathering <br /> data to try to improve our setbacks in these areas where it's not so clear and where sea level rises not <br /> so much the influence on shoreline erosion more upland impacts. <br /> LIN: Thank you, Alex. <br /> ROY: Sorry, it's a long — <br /> LIN: Yeah. You know,just one thing that I think we as the public we think <br /> about these areas. <br /> ROY: Yeah, no — <br /> LIN: Right, especially if it's been excessively farmed or used in the past, I <br /> think there's just my understanding or layman's understanding of this. [indecipherable] <br /> ROY: It's understandable and the idea is to try and really look at the hazard <br /> potential. So, not just shoreline or poly erosion but all the hazards that would be associated with <br /> which mean slope failure related to high water, rain events, or even earthquakes and things like that. <br /> So, again we try even though the minimum is 40 we often are really pushing people to move back as <br /> far as possible and then provide them with that kind of reasoning and evidence not just"oh, we just <br /> 7 <br /> EXHIBIT B <br />