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HAALILIO:No, and I dont know where you got that from. <br />KRUEGER:Its contained in their deed. <br />HAALILIO:Oh, okay I dont know. I didnt read any of that. And when you say the <br />church who would have been the representative of those? <br />KRUEGER:The Hawaii Conference Foundation. <br />HAALILIO:Oh, okay. Because the church dissipated a long time ago in the late 50s. <br />KRUEGER:Thank you I dont have anything further. <br />HAALILIO:Okay. <br />KRUEGER:ThankyouMr.Chairman. <br />ALAMEDA:Thankyou.ThankyouMrs.Haalilio, appreciate your time. All right. I <br />want to ask if the parties can take your seats again up front? And we can proceed. Just to review <br />again for the public how this is going to work. Were going to ask the applicant to state their <br />case and then cross-examination by the intervenor and then the Director. And then theres going <br />to be a re-direct which is going to go back to our applicant again. And were going to do that for <br />each party. Okay. Mr. Krueger? <br />KRUEGER:Thank you Mr. Chair. Mr. Chairman would it be okay if my client, Id <br />like to call my client as a first witness. <br />ALAMEDA:Sure, could I swear you in? <br />KRUEGER:I think he was sworn in already. <br />ALAMEDA:Okay, thats right. Go ahead you can-. <br />KRUEGER:Okay and is it okay if he stays here to testify? <br />ALAMEDA:Sure. <br />KRUEGER:Okay.Thankyou.Mr.Ibbetsonwouldyoustateyournameforthe <br />record? <br />IBBETSON:Daniel Paul Ibbetson. <br />KRUEGER:And Mr. Ibbetson how did you come to first find this property? <br />EXHIBIT B <br />14 <br /> <br />