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WATANABE: I have only one question and that’s in regard to, you know, in the past we’ve talked about affordable housing and possibly relaxing some of the standards of affordable housing with regard to curbs and sidewalks and stuff like that. Because I’m not sure exactly how much more this all is, this one-hour ten-year flood, I’m wondering if that amount of water can be mitigated by just swales so that we’re not boxing ourselves in where all subdivisions have to have curbs and gutters, you know what I mean, and sidewalks and all of that. YUEN: No, the drywells work with the swale system. And, in fact, if you do, if you have less pavement then you need fewer drywells; but it will not eliminate the need to have some disposal into some kind of a drywell system. WATANABE: Yeah, like in Kona, this is where I live, we have swales, but we also have drywells along the way. And as long as that kind of situation isn’t ruled out I think then we have the potential to lower the subdivision cost and possibly create more affordable housing going forward. Yeah? YUEN: Right. And it can be combined with this, you can still go with a swale system but you would still have a drywell. You’d probably wind up with fewer drywells if you don’t have the width of pavement. ALAMEDA: Questions, Commissioner Siracusa? SIRACUSA: Yeah. So that’s why it is not being required for agricultural land, except for those specific industrial type activities on it. Because agricultural land as a rule doesn’t have impermeable surfaces? Is that the key to it, or the -? YUEN: The Federal program only says that you have to cover Urban development. But these processing facilities, they would consider Urban even though we allowed them on agricultural lands. So then although runoff from farms, especially cleared areas on farms after there has been a plowing or harvesting, although there can be a bad runoff and water pollution problem, that’s not covered by this program at all. And so we’re not addressing that on this set of programs. There’s another program for that but it’s simply, it’s another thing -. There’s not a mandate right now. There are efforts to control that, but it’s not part of this program. ALAMEDA: Fellow Commissioners, this agenda item will be continued next week. If there’s not any more questions or any objections, I’d like to move to next agenda item. HAYASHI: Mr. Chair, before you do that -. ALAMEDA: Sure. HAYASHI: I failed to mention that the draft that we should be reviewing would be this yellow replacement sheet. ALAMEDA: Okay, got it. HAYASHI: So you can throw away the one before that. EXHIBIT B 4