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HARDY-SULLIVAN: In the contested case we never had any expert witnesses. The <br />geologist happens to be a neighbor of ours, who lives in Alli Lani Condominium, who has some <br />geology knowledge but also knew explicitly the situation of safety and everything. So, I think <br />that’s incorrect for Mr. Lim to point that out. We did not submit any expert testimony; they were <br />all citizens, concerned citizens living in the area. <br />ALAMEDA: Okay, we receive them as citizens in that regard. <br />HARDY-SULLIVAN: Their testimony, sir, one was out of town at that time and I’d like to be <br />able to get to do telephone testimony, which is kind of difficult to do. At that time I had to leave <br />the hearing. But we just have a couple of new witnesses, and my only question is where the <br />subpoena for the Corporation Counsel, do I file it at that office or? We have the forms. <br />ALAMEDA: Okay. Mr. Lim? <br />LIM: So long as he is going to stipulate that these witnesses are lay <br />witnesses and not expert witnesses who can give opinions, then we have no problem with any of <br />his witnesses. Is that, are you stipulating to that? <br />HARDY-SULLIVAN: Yes, we will not have any expert witnesses. To be called, just ones <br />that we previously requested that were denied <br />ALAMEDA: All right. Thank you. Corp Counsel. <br />SELF: Yes. We would like to know if it’s possible to get a list of the names <br />of the people he plans to subpoena and what the relevancy is. <br />ALAMEDA: Okay. Mr. Hardy-Sullivan, is it okay to ask for you to put a list <br />together for the Corp. Counsel? <br />HARDY-SULLIVAN: Yeah, I can do that -. <br />ALAMEDA: In the microphone. <br />SELF: Could you state it on the record right now? I mean, could we do it <br />now on the record? <br />ALAMEDA: If you can. If you can do it now, if not, if you could give us a date, a <br />reasonable date. <br />HARDY-SULLIVAN: May I have one minute to search this document, please? <br />ALAMEDA: Sure. How about, better than that, I want to request a five-minute <br />recess. No objections? Good. Let’s take a five-minute recess. <br />RECESSED The Chair called a short recess at 3:45 p.m. <br /> EXHIBIT B <br />22 <br /> <br />