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HOUSEL: Please proceed.
<br />YEH: Okay. Anyway, and I’m sorry if your answer was interrupted.
<br />KANUHA: No. It’s like anything else, I mean you bring one brother over here to dig the puka for
<br />two feet or three feet, if you can’t find something over there, did he go deeper? I mean, you know,
<br />. And the land
<br />has been cut in half and so happened just a little pu‘u in the front it’s by, by it’s lonely. Why, was it
<br />alone? It was never alone – we was here.
<br />YEH: Is there any information that you have right now that there is iwi located on the property
<br />that’s the subject to this application?
<br />KANUHA: No, I don’t have it on me, but I know that there is iwis all over that place.
<br />YEH: And, you know, assuming that the archeological inventory survey that has been done is
<br />deemed sufficient – and that’s why we were going to have Dr. Haun testify a little bit today about
<br />the methodology why he did what he did and where he believes or what the probabilities are – but if
<br />assuming that, you know, that gets accepted, part of the proposed conditions for this particular
<br />application is that during the construction process, there be a monitoring plan in place just to assure
<br />that if iwi are discovered, then it can be dealt with through the Burial Council. As far as a
<br />monitoring plan goes, are you aware that that was in place, or what’s your position on that?
<br />P. OLSON: Mr. Chair, I’m going to object again. This is not relevant to the issue of standing; it
<br />perceives threat as more of an argument than it is a question. What Mr. Yeh is proposing is
<br />archaeology by bulldozer basically. He’s prefacing the question on, you know, a reliance of
<br />basically an inadvertent discovery. Mr. Kanuha’s interest is making an inadvertent discovery not
<br />happen by doing a thorough proper job. And it’s irrelevant and it’s an argument instead of a
<br />question.
<br />HOUSEL: I think we need to continue, so I’m going to overrule your objection at this point. Thank
<br />you.
<br />KANUHA: Ask me the question again. I understand where you come from. First of all, you do
<br />have, your gentleman went out there and digging the ground. How far did, did he go in the front the
<br />ocean? Did he look over there? Did he go inside the ocean and really stand in the water? Because,
<br />if you, you know, if I told him to go on the side of the road, if I say go on the road on the highway,
<br />dig two feet down where the bulldozer went, do you think he’ll find anything? Probably not. You
<br />know, if you tell him to do, to bulldoze, okay, now, and we’ve
<br />been going through this process for twelve years, we tell the bulldozer went there, and we’re
<br />moving one piece of gravel, the wahine tells us, no move them because there might be something
<br />over there. How would she know? She never tried it.I mean there is a lot of things that I think -.
<br />But the iwi goes, there’s iwisall over there, the road. Did we desecrate them? Yes, we did. Was it
<br />part of the ahupua‘a there where it is? Yes, we did, it is. Later they built the house over an iwi.
<br />Did he dig the ground up? Move the house. Maybe it’s under the house. I don’t know. But I think
<br />I know for sure there must be some there; I have that feeling. Is that answer your question?
<br />YEH: Yes, it does. Thank you. No other questions.
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