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also kind of showing people allowing them to understand that the footprint of these like
<br />ecosystem that they are trying to work is so relatively small. You know so I think there is
<br />a change happening in the sense. And, because we have hunters coming into the
<br />conservation community, and they are helping people understand there are so many
<br />opportunities to be allies in this. So many opportunities to have shared understanding.
<br />So yeah, I think it is changing, and I think the fire issues has been, then again if there is
<br />any silver lining for this, that been one of them. Then again folks like Miles, I also give him
<br />credit, because he has been the pushing for the need to do these other forms of fuel
<br />management, especially in response to taking these animals out/off the land and he really
<br />laid the ground work for this and, I don’t know if he got to see, some the fruit of that in
<br />his life time, he passed away a few years ago, and so, but I think people are starting to
<br />come around they are realizing that they can’t do this on their own, so it’s changing.
<br />AG: Austin Griffey, District 6 - I think cow and sheep are kind of are really picky animals to be
<br />using for grazing. You would want to use more goats to keep down the fire fuel areas,
<br />because they eat not only grass, they, eat invasive species plants as well, which the cows
<br />and the sheep are really picky, and they only want that fresh growth of grass. I think if
<br />we threw maintaining fire break roads in the mix and control burns before fire seasons, it
<br />might help keep down the fires during fire seasons. So, they don’t just blow up and take
<br />over.
<br />CT: Yeah, that’s a lot, I think that’s really a good point. I think the interest in sheep is coming
<br />up, because a lot of the farmers were working and they have never done animals, because
<br />they’re less pokey at the fences and what I learn too, is that the goats in an agriculture
<br />setting, they are more susceptible to diseases. But yeah, people like the idea of sheep
<br />and goats for the same reason you’re saying. They’ll tackle the haole koa and other crap
<br />that they want to kind of reduce the amount of vegetation they want to reduce.
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<br />BL: Brian Ley, District 4 – Going back to the Mauna Fire, I took some pictures on one side of
<br /> Parker Ranch and the other side of PTA and you could see the difference. The pasture
<br /> burn like you were saying there was a low fuel load so there was minimal damage was
<br /> still grass was still green, but once it pop over the fence, and got into the PTA and the
<br /> fountain grass, I mean it forced burn to the ground. It is something to talk about erosion
<br /> and everything, but we have these big fires, and the range and the erosion is much worst
<br /> then the goats and the sheep are doing. In California it is repetitive. You get these fires,
<br /> rain comes, then you get the landslides, and everything else which is just worst. We are
<br /> taking pennies when we get hundred dollar bills floating away. You know this is
<br /> something we need to look into, and like you said, we got these vast fires and the game
<br /> animals can’t keep up with it. When you go down new Saddle Road 49-50, when we had
<br />the fires couple years ago, it was just a little area and the goats when there, they kept
<br />the cotton grass in now we got native Hawaiian shrubbery, and the goats aren’t eating,
<br />cutting back and you see the goats in there in between keeping the fountain grass, like
<br />you were saying, they like the new vegetation, and we had control burns instead of ten
<br />thousand acres at a time, we are doing couple hundred acres. Let these animals move in
<br />and keep everything under control. And another thing nobody brings up on these fires,
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