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AK: OK. Perfect.
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<br />AA: \[Unclear\] Other than that – how safe is the Black Fly? I know there’s this community down in
<br />Kalapana that they’re actually doing it from what I understand. I didn’t go out and look at that
<br />place that they’re doing it at, but they do take the wild carcasses that the wild pigs come into
<br />their property, and they do put it in a container and da kine but, you know, with brucellosis and
<br />pseudo rabies around, you know, what’s, you know, that would be my question, right? Kind of
<br />even though you guys said, they don’t have mouth and you can’t transfer the diseases but it’s
<br />still a transfer, um, then going back to what you said about \[unclear\] or whatever then we had
<br />that – what was that, yeah, HogStop, which is, you know lower the semen count inside of the
<br />pigs and stuff like that but yet if use that kind of things then, you know, the birds going come
<br />around and that’s what Hawaii protects the most, right, is the birds is what they really care
<br />about. Um, when the birds come and eat that then the sperm count for the birds can go down,
<br />you know, from our owls, not just our native species and whatever else, so there’s that. And
<br />then, as far as what you’re saying about the deer and pigs – it goes back to deer has the wild tick
<br />disease but I think that’s stressing Lyme disease \[unclear\]…so I don’t think there’s any of that
<br />here. I’m not sure but here/here is more healthier species and less diseases, now when you go
<br />back to the pigs now back again you get brucellosis, and you get pseudo rabies. There’s no real
<br />way to say what pig get, right. I was, we used to be noted in the Tribune Herald like, oh, you
<br />trapping, can you tell? No, there’s no way. You can tell by looking on a pig – you get one sick pig
<br />or you can get – is that a sick pig or is that a pig that just not eating well, right? So how can you
<br />tell without taking blood samples now I’ve been working with Kim Kazuma – Department of
<br />Health, no?
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<br />SW: Probably, I can’t remember.
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<br />?: University Department of Health, yeah.
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<br />AA: I take blood samples from the pigs and some going get both pseudo rabies and brucellosis. Some
<br />of them just get brucellosis, some of them just get pseudo rabies. Some come out clean, but
<br />there’s no real way to tell what it is.
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<br />AK: So do you just chuck the meat that has brucellosis.
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<br />AA: Well, like I said in…
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<br />AK: Or is there a way to cook it at a high enough temperature…
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<br />AA: Yeah.
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<br />AK: …. for a certain amount of time.
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<br />AA: And it’s documented and that’s what she said as well – as long as you use proper PP so that’s
<br />where it comes \[unclear\] in being educated. You know, you just use your normal gloves – rubber
<br />gloves, you know, wash your hands, all that, you know, that’s how we practice, so as long as,
<br />you know, I try to tell everybody that I know, you know, to do it and some listen and some
<br />people don’t, right, but there’s no real way to tell these diseases, right?
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