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thinking to agencies is that mauka water that doesn’t flow that I can’t catch fish here – it’s not <br />overfishing – that’s totally nonsense – it’s this – next slide – one second, ah… <br /> <br />LT: Is that \[unclear\]? <br /> <br />RN: \[Unclear\] <br /> <br />LT: That picture. <br /> <br />RN: It’s ah… <br /> <br />LT: Honu manu? <br /> <br />RN: Yeah. <br /> <br />LT: Yeah. <br /> <br />RN: You know that one – you been there? <br /> <br />LT: I almost been everywhere on every island. <br /> <br />RN: Yeah. <br /> <br />LT: Yeah, I fixed the lo’i… <br /> <br />RN: Is that right? <br /> <br />LT: ….yeah with the family, um, the Hueo family Palimanu. <br /> <br />?: I learned a lot from the Kauai \[unclear\]. <br /> <br />LT: Yeah. <br /> <br />?: It’s Kauai \[unclear\]. <br /> <br />RN: Anyway, this the point. OK the point is when somebody’s bull dozing mauka if all the dirt falls <br />down it goes in the ocean. \[Unclear\] I know Ashleys partners – he’s a diver - we went around the <br />island in his boat and all that stuff – when the buddy said – he’s all but 80, 90 feet Hamakua – he <br />touched the bottom with a boulder. <br /> <br />SW: I’m sorry, I need to check with the Zoom – can you see now Cortney? OK. She can see now. <br />Thank you, go ahead. <br /> <br />RN: \[Unclear\] 80, 90 feet under – next slide – OK – always management is top down – except you <br />guys – you stand up for what you supposed to for that – I like the bottom up – I do – the state <br />\[unclear\] I don’t work with them anymore, they like to me \[unclear\] fishery management area – <br />it’s lovely – Haena – Milolii – all community-based – local knowledge you live there you know <br />22 <br /> <br /> <br />