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RN: Right. PD: ….about how a sheep ate the \[unclear\] grass and start eating the roots of it and that’s the same thing with the turtles – even at low tide – I saw turtles just scraping the limu off the rocks and it’s not even long – it’s just short now – they already ate the top half and now it’s scraping all the limu off the rocks, you know, so I just saying that there is a bad situation by allowing the turtles to over produce themselves and unbalance the whole ecosystem about that whole thing with limu and the seaweed and how hotels are sucking all the water up, ah, especially on the places with no running rivers that unbalance the whole ecosystem and I don’t think anybody goes back to check – like you said you see development affecting your rivers or your waters – that’s the same thing that’s happening non-river areas so, as being there in Kau and big as it is – we have that problem because the fresh water comes out a lot in certain places and as you go down South Point not that much water comes out – fresh water – ‘cause the limu different. The fish even different. You catch a fish in Kau throw net – you can go all day with your fish in your bag. No stink. But try to South Point and carry your fish in your bag half a day and it starts smelling already. It’s because of that ini – the fresh water and the variety of limu that they eating – that it doesn’t forment in their oopu as fast as the ones that are in non-freshwater areas. So that’s the problem we had – what you talking about – is an area with no rivers… RN: Yeah. PD: …. is that we had fishpond with no rivers and in the fishpond growing up there – every species you get in your river is in our fishpond. How did they get there without any rivers? Is it through the lava tubes? Or did the kanakas bring that there – like every other place where they see things no more. Say a big flood – and all that water came down the river and took everything with it. And there’s nothing to replenish – you go to the other river and bring the species there to replenish themselves. I mean that’s just Hawaiian common sense, right, but you got a different mentality today – one hardly look at the environment and how we used the environment and have a real scientific western idea about how our species should be, you know, we get judged by people that come from continents – they don’t come from an island – and they got experience from big continents where you can make mistakes and move away from your mistake. We don’t get to move from our mistakes. We stuck here. We live on an island so there is a problem about what do we do as this Commission and being part of creating this 11 years ago was to be that kind of a voice and it’s not just that – we created this commission back then to allow DLNR to run everything. But for us to create our own Commission to tell DLNR that this is our resources – this is our Island and you should not just take advice more but to create more law in protecting it, ah, and talking about Kauai – Kauai doesn’t have a game commission – we’re the only island that has it, so we should be more strong about reinforcing our needs of this Island to DLNR. You know, I got arrested years ago making opihi at national park. We came up by boat – going up to Haala Bay to net opihi. The helicopters caught us, OK? They landed down and gave us tickets for making opihi. So, I had to go federal court in Honolulu… SW: Mr. Dedman, I’m sorry, one, we’re going beyond the presentation and 2) we only have five minutes left in the meeting. 29