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JPC: Yeah, and then this was something I was gonna bring up as a great rule change.This rule change
<br />is not the smoke, it’s not the only management strategy right, and it means like, that he’s saying,
<br />Brad’s saying, we’ve got to follow it up with other things right now with that management,
<br />water units, providing resources, but the greater rule change, so this whole turkey rule change is
<br />part of this greater rule change process that’s happening now and it tends to be - it gets
<br />triggered by different things. It’s usually like a five-year process when you might, people like
<br />myself, administration, administers within DOFAW I see changes need to be made. Usually, it’s
<br />for the better, that is kinda what triggered this and then also like just so many things can
<br />change, right, a lot us going, a lot of – most of the rule changes is going on the make it so that
<br />it’s clear, right, we get calls all the time from people like - I want to hunt over here, you know
<br />what’s the rules on this cause it reads this way. And so, for me as someone that I take those calls
<br />– Ian, my supervisor \[unclear\] other biologists above me, we take these calls and we can see –
<br />cause \[unclear\] we’re on the inside, right, but the hunters on the outside, they’re gonna read it
<br />differently and then that helps us review it – OK maybe it’s being interpreted differently, right,
<br />so we’re trying to include stuff like that to make the rules easier to interpret it – easier to
<br />understand – easier to follow, right? Areas get included like some portions get added so like
<br />part of the \[unclear\] process is adding those areas, and having the accesses, safe things like
<br />safety zones change, new safety zones get created and new safety zones get omitted, so that,
<br />that’s kind of the gravy, the general process of rule changing. There are some bag limits that are
<br />getting lifted, there some areas that are getting added like I mentioned upper Piha and
<br />Laupahoehoe are getting added to spring turkey season for hunters to go out and adding
<br />seasons cause right now there’s only Mauna Kea and Puuwaawaa. \[Unclear\] so, does that kind
<br />of answer your questions you have?
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<br />BL: Yeah.
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<br />JPC: Yeah, so, and this is how every island is going through it so – we get together as a big group –
<br />look at all the rules, new technologies come about too like right now like air guns, air bows,
<br />people are wanting to hunt with bows so how best they include stuff like that. Things like
<br />firearms restrictions - making it read better, making it easier for hunters to follow cause
<br />nowadays there’s so many different calibers and hunters…
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<br />BL: Oh, yeah…
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<br />JPC: …. From using your standard .308, 30-06, 30-30, that’s easy, but there’s so many calibers you
<br />can’t even remember. We’re trying to make it easier…
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<br />LT: We have a question, ah, sir, yes?
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<br />JA: Justin, District – 9. Quick question on that rule-making change, the notice was sent out in
<br />January that there was gonna be a rule change or a notice of a meeting – there was never
<br />another publication stating that the rules had been changed by DLNR. It was up to hunters to try
<br />and research that or get to a check-in station and then realize, oh, heck, I can no longer hunt
<br />rifle at the slice.
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<br />JPC: Yeah, that might have – that rule change is part of a different process called the 1020 – it’s a
<br />temporary rule change process, so what it is, it’s a rule change process that goes in, I think, that
<br />goes through, it gets closer on the approval processes. The Board meeting where it’s like a - the
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