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Gonzalez: So, we're consistent with what the federal TTB (Alcohol and Tobacco Tax
<br />and Trade Bureau) did in updating their definitions of what can be used as a container
<br />for like their wines and ready to drinks, so that's why you see now there's wine in
<br />aluminum cans, not just glass anymore or other types of recyclable materials.
<br />Takase: So, the growler definition is more for not so much the size.
<br />Gonzalez: But the material being used.
<br />Takase: According to the rules, it will talk about how much each one can dispense.
<br />Greenwell: So, in the definition of the growler, the definition will be either a one -gallon
<br />container, or
<br />Takase: No, just forget about the size, it's just either glass, ceramic, or metal, that's
<br />what the growler is talking about, so don't mix up with the definition with the size of it,
<br />we really got to go to who's dispensing what. I think we tried to make most of them
<br />standardized.
<br />Gonzalez: The good news, Mr. Greenwell, is our maximum size is a gallon. So, that's
<br />why I see your question in the definitions, the main thing is the first five words, "a
<br />recyclable or reuseable container." And then the back end of the sentence says, "It
<br />does not exceed one gallon." But like the Director is saying, each of our specific rules
<br />for the class of license specifies the maximum size they can use. The good thing is the
<br />overall definition for the type of material doesn't exceed the specific rules either so it's
<br />consistent, if that helps.
<br />Greenwell: So, it's set what the manufacturer of the growler is, that's the point that
<br />you're making, it's going to be either glass, ceramic, or stainless steel, aluminum or
<br />whatever it is?
<br />Takase: Yes, and there's some requirements for them to fill, it has to be sterilized,
<br />all of those things as well. So, the people dispensing it know that, so it's not like, yeah
<br />just bringing your container, so it's a little different, and you know the reason we kind
<br />of getting into this is because prior to that everything is filled, pre -packaged. But you
<br />know, now we're kind of allowing this to dispense from kegs or barrels or whatever.
<br />So, that's something new that's come about, and it was kind of there before COVID
<br />(coronavirus disease), but you know COVID (coronavirus disease) kind of pushed it
<br />along. And so, we're just trying to make our rules match up to what's allowable for
<br />everybody to understand. If you go across the country now, you'll find that a lot of these
<br />places have growlers because there's lots of craft brewing, craft distilling, and those
<br />things. We haven't come across distilling yet, but I'm sure that's going to come up, so
<br />we're going to have to deal with that shortly. Are you satisfied?
<br />Greenwell: Yes.
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