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repopulating this mountain back up with the sheep, taking care of the cat traps that <br />they have which I still see is not being managed – you have three foot of grass growing <br />through – but they got the funding for it – somebody’s not doing it though, so, yeah, a <br />lot of wasted money in wasted areas – there’s always something… <br /> <br />JA: Yeah, actual management not just the word but actual management. <br /> <br />TWC: Actual management, exactly. Yeah. <br /> <br />RD: Chair? District – 1, Duerr. A little historic perspective, the judge – was it judge Ezra who <br />made a decree which said that the sheep needed to be – the order – court order – the <br />sheep need to be brought to zero. The County of Hawaii actually challenged that order <br />and used their attorney efforts and were basically blown out of the water by the state <br />AGs. However, a question for Corporate Counsel – if a judge makes an order and you are <br />not living up to the order what typically happens to them? <br /> <br />IKK: Deputy Attorney, Inha Kandatsu-Kang - Well, if there’s the violation of an order than <br />there are consequences – if they \[unclear\] violation they’d be liable for whatever comes <br />out of this – whatever it is – just generally speaking. <br /> <br />RD: Right. <br /> <br />IKK: Yeah. <br /> <br />RD: So, the question is – when a judge gives an order to go to zero and you’ve had it… <br /> <br />IKK: Zero? <br /> <br />RD: The population of sheep... <br /> <br />IKK: OK. <br /> <br />RD: ….on the mountain needed to go to zero. When you had a quarter century to do that <br />and you’ve failed do you think that would be worth revisiting the judge and say, you <br />gave these people a doctrine, they obviously haven’t done it - and by the way it’s not <br />working and the consequences of failure of not going to zero is worse than the <br />consequences of coming up with a new plan. <br /> <br />IKK: Sure, OK, going back. The court’s not going to take any action – someone would have to <br />take action. So, an individual like… <br /> <br />RD: Would the county be able to take action? <br /> <br />IKK: Yeah, or you. <br />8 <br /> <br /> <br />