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Mauna Kea’s become the desert. These areas that historically had whole game birds have nothing. I keep going back cause this is a sweet spot – there’s all these birds and there’s nothing, and it’s just and I had no idea why, and it’s something that needs to be addressed. LT: Leomana, District – 3. Do you remember he was talking about something – sorry – I remember we are having a discussion about something and then he said send us a plan on – he was trying to figure out what the plan… BL: Oh, he wanted me to send a proposal for training some hound dogs for… LT: Yeah, hound dogs, yeah, the cats, ah… BL: Oh, then also we put in that, also on top of raising hound dog to hunt the cats on Mauna Kea – that I also put in there that I would also check and monitor and repair waterers as needed since I was up there anyways, chasing calves with hound dogs, but – I haven’t \[unclear\]. LT: So I remember with Dave Smith we were talking about the –he cannot eliminate the court order and under they’re mandated to do this eradication but if we do it a certain way that he was telling us – they can stop it and transition it under a new style of management, right, because it’s a legal thing – they, like they got the money to do it – the court order they have to do it so they have to. BL: Brian, District – 4. Now, all that DLNR have to do was go to the Attorney General of Hawaii and say that this is not working and we’ve got the science forty years of this and we need to go take it back to court that the sheep are no longer our problem and we can stop this eradication and that’s how the court systems work – you file the thing and then you come back later and say, you don’t – it’s not working – and get it removed cause, you know, if that was the case slavery would still be legal. They just need the DLNR and state to get together with the Attorney General’s office and go to the Feds and say – look, this is not working - we want to file the lawsuit and get removed from it and the Feds probably wouldn’t argue with it. JA: Justin, District – 9. All the money that they waste on helicopters and be redirected in a better method to save the birds for, you know, the grass, the feed, something else. There’s a better method for that money than. The money they waste on fuel. BL: Yeah, eight hundred dollars an hour for the helicopters. TWC: Tayson, District – 2, they said – but I remember speaking one time this is, ah, this was a zoom meeting two years ago – was estimated 15 to 20 thousand dollars and that’s two days per month they spend on this eradication. So, yeah, I agree, that’s a lot of money that can be transitioned into, you know, like feeders, management of the grass for 7