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Merit Appeals Board <br />January 30, 2025 <br />MS. TAVARES: I mean, it's pretty self-explanatory. Mr. Kaye and three other individuals were <br />clearly at the top of the list and were promoted as a result of the recruitment. Any placement of <br />anybody else on that list, is irrelevant for this matter. <br />CHR. CABANAS: Okay. When you talk about the list, what list are you referring to? The <br />list —the referral list? <br />MS. TAVARES: That's what he's asking about. <br />CHR. CABANAS: The referral list? <br />MR. HONG: Yes. <br />CHR. CABANAS: Okay. So <br />MS. TAVARES: I'm sorry, not the referral list of eligible applicants. He's asking about the <br />results <br />CHR. CABANAS: The results? <br />MS. TAVARES: —yes. <br />CHR. CABANAS: The tallying of the scores from the selection process. <br />MS. TAVARES: That's my understanding. <br />CHR. CABANAS: That's different. <br />MR. HONG: The ranking. <br />CHR. CABANAS: The ranking from the selection process. Okay. That is totally different from <br />the list that was referred from HR to the Hawai `i Fire Department. You're concerned about the <br />ranking after the interview was done and I don't know if there was anything else comprisedso, <br />Ms. Tavares, was there anything else with the selection process besides an interview? <br />MS. TAVARES: To my knowledge, there was not, and I believe <br />CHR. CABANAS: It was just the interview? <br />MS. TAVARES: Correct. <br />MALE SPEAKER: Should I answer? <br />CHR. CABANAS: Well, are you asking Assisting Fire Chief Okinaka? <br />Page 11 <br />