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Merit Appeals Board <br />January 30, 2025 <br />MR. HONG: And the list of recur —eligibles for recruitment —that was certified or handed to <br />you or given to you by HR? <br />MR. OKINAKA: Our Internal HR, correct. <br />MR. HONG: Okay. And that meant that the Fire Department could select from the people on <br />the list, right. <br />MR. OKINAKA: Correct. <br />MR. HONG: And isn't it true that Jonah was first person on the list of all the eligibles? <br />MR. OKINAKA: As far as eligibles, I cannot verify that. What we do —we conduct the <br />recruitment and then score the recruitment, right —and then there's a final standings, the <br />rankings —and, gosh, I can't recall at this point who was Number one, but Jonah was definitely <br />one of the top candidates. <br />MR. HONG: Okay. Do you know whether the other three candidates ranked lower than Jonah? <br />MR. OKINAKA: A few of them did. I'm not sure if all of them. Like I said, I cannot recall <br />exactly who was Number one at this time. Sorry. <br />MR. HONG: Okay. And then, in terms of the grievant, that they talked about —do you know <br />who that is? <br />MS. TAVARES: Objection —relevance. <br />MR. HONG: I'm going into the credibility of the witness. <br />CHR. CABANAS: I believe that information is confidential, at this time. So, if you could <br />MR. HONG: I'm not going to ask his name. I just want to know if he knows who the guy is? <br />CHR. CABANAS: If the Assistant Fire Chief knows who it is? <br />MR. HONG: Yes, who the grievant? <br />CHR. CABANAS: Ms. Tavares? <br />MS. TAVARES: I'm objecting as the matters related to the grievance are confidential. If <br />Mr. Hong is seeking a "yes" or "no" answer and nothing more, then Assistant Chief Okinaka can <br />answer that question. But I am going to object to going into any details about the grievance. <br />CHR. CABANAS: Okay, I understand. <br />Page 8 <br />