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Hawaii County Police Commissioner <br />Regular Session Minutes <br />June 18, 2004 <br />Page 18 <br />DE SILVA: Well, traditionally, we'll never be able to get really exact because these are <br />general concepts, but usually when you talk about personal services you're talking <br />about janitorial services or yard cleaning services or those sorts of things is what I had <br />in mind. <br />BERTSCH: Again, this is why we're trying to keep verbatim on this because personal <br />services to me would be Captain Dawrs calls me up and says, "I've got a problem with <br />something. Can you as the commissioner come down and assist me with this ?" And I <br />would come down and maybe brainstorm something with him or maybe go back out <br />and outreach in the community which I feel is my responsibility. Would that be <br />considered a personal service to the police department? <br />DE SILVA: Good point. <br />BERTSCH: I think it would. <br />HARA: How about John as a building contractor, one of the police officers want to <br />build something and asks you because he knows you, wants to build his house or <br />whatever? <br />BERTSCH: Well, conversely, I have been asked by the Chief and the Assistant Chief to <br />consult on a building and provide them with costs simply as an expert, certainly with no <br />remuneration <br />HARA: That would be covered under this, then. You cannot. <br />BERTSCH: I'm just saying how can we not be friends of the police. I'm not asking for <br />special favors. They're asking for special assistance just as much as the Judge is <br />assisting with looking at the way we do mace. I'm helping the Chief out with how we <br />build buildings. <br />DE SILVA: The exception is looking at mace is part of my job as a commissioner to <br />work with the police in that manner. The other example is the business between you <br />and the department. No one is every going to say I'm doing this because I want <br />special favors from the police. No one is going to say that. The other side of it is <br />usually it doesn't happen. The problem is there's an appearance when you do business <br />with the police department in your business. If you're trying to get a job for your boss <br />and you negotiate with the Chief, I don't think that's ethical, but I don't now. So, when <br />it says, what were we talking about, private business when he- <br />MASUDA: Personal service- <br />