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those classrooms so we at least have that number. How we pull it apart, what ever we do with it, <br />we need that number, and if you folks could help put that number together, that would be helpful. <br />Is that possible? <br /> <br />MS. KAWAUCHI: ItÓs possible. <br /> <br />MR. MIDDLESWORTH: I want to get back to the number thing and the legal aspects of it. I <br />would like to ask our attorney to do a little research in terms of the State Supreme CourtÓs <br />decision about the last plan in which they said that some of that number stuff was not very <br />material; give us an idea of what that really meant. <br /> <br />MR. UDOVIC: We can talk about the opinion, but the opinion really said that the 10.89% <br />wasnÓt a significant deviation. Even though the non-resident student population was not <br />appropriate, it was pretty much a fair representation. We are really confronted with an awful lot <br />of very, very differing viewpoints, and I couldnÓt agree with you more. The only thing that I can <br />tell you, is that when I read a number of the opinions--and I went through most of the Supreme <br />Court opinions regarding these cases--they look on a case by case basis to determine what the <br />intent of the persons were, how they intended to get to their goal and things. So, I think that our <br />real goal at this point in time is to see where we are, to get to the goal that we can, to get t <br />information. I know that some inquiries have been made already to the University of HawaiÒi at <br />Hilo to try to find out what the non-resident student population is, so we have those numbers. <br />Then we can choose to modify them somehow, but to try to get to get to as equal population base <br />in each of the districts as we possibly can. So, I think that is really what our goal is, and if we <br />keep that as the goal, I think we are okay. But we are working towards those other issues as <br />well. <br /> <br />MR. MIDDLESWORTH: The Ordinance also says that we should try not to have an equal <br />population base, because we should take into account growth. <br /> <br />MR. UDOVIC: There are an awful lot of things we have to talk about. But <br />Final Report, when we prepare the Final Report, we have to identify what factors we use and <br />quite frankly, with the group of people I see here, I think in all honesty, that you are going to be <br />able to tell this is why we did what we did; and not just say we decided to throw the dice and see <br />where it ended up. I think, really, they are going to make some very considered decisions, so I <br />think we are going to be in good shape, quite frankly. I have confidence. <br /> <br />CHR. SIRACUSA: Thank you for your confidence, Mike. I feel that there are all these criteria <br />that we have to look at, and we have to balance them. Where some of them may bump into each <br />other, we are going to have to give some weight to some of them also and decide what is more <br />important. Obviously in that Supreme Court decision, what they gave weight to was the fact that <br />the attempt was to be inclusive, and not exclusive. That is where the Supreme Court gave its <br />weight. <br /> <br />MR. UDOVIC: If you look at some cases; there were some cases in other states like in New <br />Jersey, for example. There was only a .6 deviation, and they found that was improper because <br />22 <br /> <br />