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they were using it for racial reasons. So, it just depends. It really is on a case by case basis. So <br />that is pretty much all I can tell you at this point in time. <br /> <br />CHR. SIRACUSA: It appears to me that even if a plan appeared where the numbe <br />exactly spot on, but there was an obviously gerrymandered district in there, we could not accept <br />it because the decision not to have gerrymandering far outweighs the requirements to have the <br />numbers within a certain range. <br /> <br />MR. UDOVIC: Those are all decisions that you, as members of this Commission, would have to <br />reach <br /> <br />CHR. SIRACUSA: Yes, we would have to make that. Does anyone else want to ask questions <br />of Michael, or Jamae? <br /> <br />MR. MELROSE: I have again two; and one is a technical question. I am not clear what a 10% <br />deviation is. I understand where in one district you canÓt have more than a 4.9% deviation, is the <br />ten the rollup of all of those districts and all of those deviations? What is the definition of that <br />10% marker? IÓm not sure what that represents. <br /> <br />MR. UDOVIC: My best understanding of it is that it has to be no more than 5% in either <br />direction; you know one way or the other. So, 5% higher on one group and 5% on another area. <br />It looks like itÓs on both sides. <br /> <br />MR. MELROSE: What I just counted up, was I looked at last yearÓs count, at the back of what <br />you gave us earlier, and it looks like they were 11% up and 13%---12% down and 13% up if you <br />add up all the pluses and minuses of the deviations, you came up with a sum total of one. Can <br />anyone help me on what that 10% really means? <br /> <br />MR. MIDDLESWORTH: In one of the court decisions they talk about the difference between <br />the one that is over and the one that is low. So it is the spread. YouÓve got one that is 5% over, <br />and one that is 5% low, that is the 10%; you are okay. <br /> <br />CHR. SIRACUSA: So theyÓre not taking all the figures, all the deviations, and then averaging <br />them? <br /> <br />MR. UDOVIC: No, it doesnÓt appear to be. <br /> <br />MR. MELROSE: In the ongoing process of training us, can you provide some better insight on <br />what that means, and give us some examples of where we get that number so we can be aware of <br />that? <br /> <br />MR. UDOVIC: Yes. <br /> <br />MR. MELROSE: My last request is; respond to Councilwoman FordÓs concept about getting the <br />big maps. IÓve looked at those maps on line, and they are pretty big, and full of lots of little <br />numbers; But, IÓm not sure--and I want to honor her question, and itÓs the second time she has <br />23 <br /> <br />