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MR. KAHAWAIOLAÒA: Just to that point; that is what happened ten years ago. After throwing numbers, putting lines, and doing this; and still being unclear of what numbers we are going to use. That is why every one was included, because those numbers were firm. The Census numbers were firm. It showed the total population on this island and it was a matter of putting 16,500 people in every slot; or trying to do it within that tolerance that was given to us. So I would tend to agree with you Mike, we may be spinning our wheels doing this, but if we are going to do it--I just want to defer back to Jeff--a training can be done. So am I to understand the thth training is on May 26 if it does happen, and then we are still shooting for the 26 meeting date also? MR. MELROSE: What we talked about was the idea of doing some kind of--I wouldnÓt call it a training--I would call it an orientation or a kind of a groundbreaker into the GIS process, so the people get a feel for that. How useful that is going to be, I wish I had more time to work it out with Pat and with staff to figure out what thatÓs going to be. It isnÓt a long process to work up. The system is very active, but knowing that people would be available and doing that. It is different than the training on the web based software that we are going to use. But you raise an interesting question right now; and that is that the data that is in the web, that we are using, isnÓt going to necessarily be the numbers that we are going to need to drive with. Is that what you just said? MS. NAKAMOTO: Yes. That all depends on what population base the Commission decides to use. MR. MELROSE: But the population base that we are most likely to have in the software is the existing Census data, full load, unadjusted number? MS. NAKAMOTO: That is correct. MR. MELROSE: So the adjustment ultimately needs to be some kind of an afte adjustment, after we have done some bulk allocations. MS. NAKAMOTO: Yes. MR. MELROSE: So, just as we will do, you know, adjusting for that growth p moving communities of interest; so there is a bulk of conversation, which I think would really help us a lot with starting points. We could see the general flow of things; that would be an interesting first step. Then the refinement is what you are talking about; making those kinds of adjustments. CHR. SIRACUSA: I was thinking along those lines too. Even if we didnÓt have the numbers that we are supposed to be extracting, we could get the general movements and then if we have to tweak a mile here or a half mile there, or something like that; it would be pretty minor, bur we would have our general picture. MR. MIDDLESWORTH: My reading of it is that people who are to be excluded, generally fall into the districts with the least growth. Most of them are in the Hilo districts; college students--- 39