2005-04-12 Board of Ethics Minutes regular mc

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BJLT: Mr. Williams, I think the real issue is whether she's being paid for her job as an aide and whether she separates the work she does under the contracts, so that she is not getting paid as an aide during working hours and doing the work for the contracts, and as long as there's that separation, that she's either taking time off from her council aide job to do the contract work, or is doing the contract work after hours in the evening and away from the County Building, I don't think there's a problem. I don't have the contract in front of me, but if she's being contracted to do work for the County, then you know, I think the real issue is whether there's double- dipping, as opposed to whether there's a use of resource and stuff, because her contract is with the County to do work— CHAIR: -- double - dipping, and who regulates that, who's the one LIVELY: - -I do CHAIR: - -she's certainly a self - starter and has a reason to be coming here. Who really regulates well, time out from this job, I'll do that job, you know. Who's— what's the checks and balances in the system? It's more of a systemic problem that I'm thinking here. BJLT: Well, she isn't in an office by herself. She is in an office that's open to the public. Where she works is visible to her co- workers, for that matter, and if you're not physically familiar with the Council staff, the way the desks are arranged, you can actually overhear each other's phone calls. So it's very difficult to do anything without anyone else knowing what you're doing in that office. You're also visible to members of the public and visible to members of the civil service staff, because it's right in the clerk's office. Members of the public come in, and Ms. Lively's desk I think is either the first or second desk right next to the counter where the public comes in. She's also—Mr. Robello is also there during the daytime hours and is ostensibly the supervisor of those positions, and if she wants to leave work she has to notify him. I'm supplying this because I am familiar with the way the office operates, but I think Ms. Lively can correct me if I'm wrong about that —she did mention that Mr. Robello is your supervisor, and my recollection is that if you're putting in for time off, vacation, all of those things have to go through Mr. Robello. LIVELY: , and thank you, Bobby Jean, for mentioning that my desk is right at the front as you enter, and so I do have —very frequently people will come in that know me, you know, from the other work, and will greet me and, so to be totally honest, there may be a few minutes of 27