2005-11-09 Board of Ethics Minutes Regular mc

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KI: Okay. Now, the next question is, as a Laborer II, if you're not required to have a CDL, I don't see where you need to be trained for a CDL. GANIGAN: I'm not worried about the CDL. It's the other jobs in that machinery list. There's tractors, there's rotors, all kind other machines that we use. Not only CDL we need, we need to drive all those other machines, but nobody's getting trained. He has other procedures, that's why there's a conflict of interest —too much untold personal programs. There's two trainers in the County. One is Dan Santos ( ?) . Now he doesn't train Public Works, he trains police and the Fire Department. I don't know who else he trains, but you can go look and go hunt for that list, like I said, go look and subpoena , subpoena those papers and you'll find out what I'm talking about, since I can't go more in detail. CHAIR: Any more questions from the Board? You want to pursue that further, Kerry? KI: Well, you know, my thing is – GANIGAN: This is a laborer . He was a laborer underneath me, underneath one other guy. There's another guy and him, and he's the guy underneath that guy, and he by- passed the other guy and he by- passed me. By training under him on his own time. KI: I have a problem with this. CHAIR: You feel we're in the wrong forum, venue here KI: Well, I won't say that. I guess we should just go on and see what comes out. CHAIR: Wayne? Karl? KK: Just one procedural question here. Mr. Kamelamela, you're representing Harry Hose and – KAMELAMELA: Hiram. KK: Hiram Keliikoa. Did they ask you to represent them? He is a County employee. Is he entitled to County counsel, too? C- o- u- n- s -e -1. KAMELAMELA: You mean whether he's KK: - -Yeah, well, I seen plenty—you're a County counsel, and you're representing County workers, and he is a County worker, and I don't know. How did it happen that he's not represented by some counsel? He chose not to? Did you choose not to? KAMELAMELA: That I don't know. 37