2005-11-09 Board of Ethics Minutes Regular mc

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improve themselves, because that's what Harry Jose did. He took it on his own time to go out and improve himself Well, then I want to see what Mr. Ganigan did to improve himself, you now. Why attack another County employee out there who wants to improve himself? So that's one of the points that I'm making here, based upon my pre- hearing statement and the declaration made by Harry Jose. The second point is, why punish somebody who starts his own private business, when he's not really utilizing County resources and when he is doing his job? He may not like the way that Hiram is doing his job, because I'm going to have Hiram tell you guys what he did. But the fact that he may not like what Hiram does doesn't mean that there's ethical violations. CHAIR: Yeah, we'll figure that out. We can figure that out. KAMELAMELA: Right. CHAIR: I hope we can. PKO: I still thinkI mean, it is for me, I don't understand what Mr. Ganigan's saying. I know he didn't get your memo, Joe, but you lay out what you believe he's claiming in his complaint. KAMELAMELA: Right. PKO: So maybe we can let him read that and say yes, that's what I'm getting at, that is the problem, that is the alleged problem, and then we'll focus on that. CHAIR: You mean- PKO: Yeah, Joe has written out three things that CHAIR: - -Well, could we give him some time to do that, to read that, and then can we not ask him some questions concurrently, or do we need to take a break to do this? I mean —you probably want to hear what we're asking, , there is basically the overview of Mr. Kamelamela on behalf of his client right there. I'm fairly sure that was him, specifically addressing—so I think Wayne, I think, Kerry, do you —are you as obsessed as I am to get to what it is he's done, and so on? I kind of want to get to that. GANIGAN: You know what the conflict of interest is, they spend so much time —they don't even go to work and stuff and train people, and we can't even get trained to run the rotor or a grass- cutter, the stuff that we need. I'm not even worried for get to the CDL. It's the thing that these guys are by- passing me and running the other equipment at work, because I'm not getting trained. CHAIR: I know, I know what goes on GANIGAN: Yeah, I'm not trained to do anything. I worked there almost seven years. I'm not trained on anything. 43