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PKO: - -He wanted to know if there is one. Our petition is they're supposed to allege <br />that there is one. <br />WJ: - -and I think I've heard enough to have cause that there might be a possible <br />violation, so I'd like to hear from Mr. <br />KAMELAMELA: - -If you feel that way, if you're prejudging the matter, Mr. Joseph, before I <br />get to actually put on evidence, then I don't think that- <br />WJ: - -My position was, I think <br />KAMELAMELA: - -No, you had just told me, you know what section, what direction we're <br />going to go, I've heard enough. <br />WJ: I've read each section. <br />KAMELAMELA: No, it doesn't matter, but I haven't put on any facts- <br />WJ: - -I'm waiting. <br />KAMELAMELA: But you had just told me that I've heard enough, I'm ready to make a <br />decision. <br />PKO: No. <br />KAMELAMELA: Maybe I <br />WJ: - -I don't know where you heard that from, but it didn't come out of this mouth. <br />PKO: When I was saying I didn't think they were saying there was an ethical violation, <br />he said he understands what they're trying to say, and he's ready to hear from you <br />now. Our rules actually provide for a two -step process, first to determine if there <br />is any question at all, and then proceed to a hearing if there is. <br />KAMELAMELA: His whole demeanor and manner of his is something to be concerned. So I <br />get the feeling that he didn't want to hear it, you know, which I think is unfair, <br />that we're not able to present everything that we need to present. That's what I'm <br />saying. <br />PKO: And do you want to request him to be removed? I think you misunderstood. We <br />could ask Mary to review what he did say. <br />KAMELAMELA: No, I think I will accept his representation, you know <br />KK: -- You're going to accept his what? <br />29 <br />