2006-02-08 Board of Ethics Minutes Regular

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KK: - -I'm sorry for throwing my pen down. Iit just kind of blew my mind in a way, because I thought this is what you're looking for. CAMBRA: No, I wasn't looking for KK: - -Okay, I'm sorry. Any further comments or questions? Do we understand— AL: - -so what you're looking for is an opinion on the principle of the thing. CAMBRA: Yes, so you know, it may not happen again. AL: So you can , or people in that business can say, oh well, we'd better think about this, or we'd better ask before we do, like the Liquor Commission person asked. CAMBRA: Yes, the whole principle AL: -- changed the whole thing from happening. CAMBRA: Yes, you know. If you go to my baseyard and ask anybody there, I always —for the 20 years I worked—or 15 years I workedI was always for fairness. That's my—that's the way I I always used to fight for that, and they know that. That is where I stand. WJ: I'm glad both of you took this means of recourse, but I know it's difficult coming here and having to say these things, especially since you went through your union and did it in other ways. But it took a lot of courage for both of you to stand up and ask for us to make a determination, so I appreciate you coming and bringing this forward. PKO: Are we going to hear from any other witnesses? KK: You may —yes? GILMAN: Can I say something? The thing that Robert is trying to say is, we're looking for fairness, where that both of us did not pass our audit. How could that work, where that we could be trained by the County so we can get that position that we were trying to apply for? Is there training? PKO: You know, I just want to say that this Board is here to determine if there are ethical violations. I think maybe there's some misunderstanding as to what we can or cannot do and whether your department is treating you fairly or offering you training. It's not of the Board. So neither of you are saying yeah, there's an ethical violation, at least I don't hear it. AL: Well I think he's saying he — W