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Mr. Keliikoa remarked that other people got trained by other trainers, and they were able to <br />pass the tests. He said every trainer should be doing the same things he does and that the DW <br />does the examination in the same exact way he does it. <br />Mr. Kamelamela asked Mr. Keliikoa about Exhibit `B. " Mr. Keliikoa explained that federal <br />guidelines need to be followed when testing or auditing a driver and said that his own form was <br />basically the same thing. <br />Mr. Kamelamela asked Mr. Keliikoa about Exhibit "C, " andMr. Keliikoa explained that it was <br />his training record listing the individuals he has trained. <br />Mr. Kamelamela explained he had several more areas to cover. He asked Mr. Keliikoa if he <br />knew who Mr. Gilman andMr. Cambra are, andMr. Keliikoa answered that he did. He was <br />asked if he knew who their supervisors were, and he answered that Mr. Cambra's supervisor is <br />Willie Perez andMr. Gilman's is Ben Casuga. <br />Mr. Kamelamela asked him if he supervised them, and he answered no. <br />Mr. Kamelamela asked him if he had ever solicited to them his business, and the answer was no. <br />Mr. Kamelamela then asked him to explain, with regard to Mr. Cambra, why he failed him in the <br />performance test. Mr. Keliikoa explained that Mr. Cambra did not do the air brakes correctly. <br />He also said that someone had come and shook his hand and then he didn't do the test correctly. <br />Mr. Kamelamela asked ifMr. Cambra had asked to be re- tested after he failed, andMr. Keliikoa <br />answered no. <br />Ms. Lum asked how long a person needs to wait to be re- tested, if they fail. Mr. Cambra said <br />that if you fail the performance test, someone else gets the job and you would have to wait for <br />another opening, that there is no second chance. <br />Mr. Kawahara asked who determines who fails. Mr. Keliikoa said that is determined when he <br />gives the test and that the results go to his boss, Stanley Nakasone. He said that when it comes <br />to the air brakes, you cannot play around and that once you fail, you fail. He said examiners do <br />the same thing when they license people and he follows that procedure. <br />Mr. Kamelamela stated that Mr. Keliikoa is following the federal guidelines. He also clarified, <br />as Ann Lum had concerns, that somebody else was vying for the position. Mr. Keliikoa stated <br />that regarding Mr. Gilman, he did not pass the test due to the shifting, as Mr. Gilman had said. <br />He said that the other thing he looks at in testing is the demeanor of the person in back of the <br />wheel. He tries to notice whether they look afraid. <br />Mr. Kamelamela askedMr. Keliikoa if there was anything else he wanted to say to the Board. <br />He just said that he was responding to the petition. <br />Mr. Kawahara commented that the auditing procedure seemed subjective and depends on the <br />auditor's judgment. He said not to take it personally, but he wanted to ask Mr. Keliikoa whether <br />he felt he had done everything on the up and up, whether he had given them every chance to <br />35 <br />