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think, because I'm also saying, in this case, no. You know, you shouldn't say that <br />there's an appearance of impropriety, because you don't have all the facts in this <br />case. You know, he's not going to use his position as a position of power to deny <br />somebody . To me that's kind of what Mr. Joseph is talking about. <br />Is there an imbalance of power here? I don't think so. I mean that's just one of <br />the things <br />KK: You know, this is all argument. You've been using the word appearance, and you <br />said that there's the word appearance in there. I thought I saw the word <br />appearance. <br />AL: I'm trying to figureI saw it someplace <br />PKO: - -But as I said, the discussion violation, do not say appearance, and I <br />have looked before <br />AL: -- because I read all this recently and I'm a new member, you know, but I'm <br />thinking it might have been in the Sunshine Law booklet about appearances and <br />so on, so it might haveI'm interested again, in this (b)(4) in 2- 83(b)(4), and, you <br />know, it's —shall use—okay—including but not limited to the following <br />soliciting, selling, or otherwise engaging in a substantial financial transaction with <br />a subordinate or a person, blah, blah, blah, or business whom the employee <br />inspects. So it'sI'm interpreting that as saying that it could be in conflict if the <br />employee engages in a financial transaction with a person whom they inspect, <br />which sounds like it was something that was done in the past. It doesn't say <br />anything about whether it influenced him in his inspection or did not influence <br />him in any inspection—it doesn't say that at all. We have to judge whether there <br />was any influence, if engaging in a transaction with somebody who they later <br />inspect. That's this. That's one of the rules. <br />PKO: Shall we continue with the evidence, or are we taking a break? <br />WJ: I'd like to continue. <br />AL: I don't know I'll do what everybody else wants. <br />WJ: I've got a question for Mr. Gilman. When're you getting your CDC [sic ?] <br />license? <br />GILMAN: When I getting it? <br />WJ: Yes. <br />GILMAN: I had it for about 12 years. <br />WJ: No, when you got audited. <br />GILMAN: Oh, when I was —that was for a promotion. <br />41 <br />