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AL: But I think we do need to know whether it's permanent, that he will not be <br />auditing, or if it's just temporary til something happens and <br />KAMELAMELA: - -no, it really doesn't matter, only because— <br />AL: - -okay- <br />KAMELAMELA: - -only because if it changes, then at least there's something in place. <br />AL: Yes. I see. I see. <br />KAMELAMELA: And that's why it doesn't matter. <br />AL: Because we're acting on what happened before. <br />PKO: Is he agreeable to not testing people that he has trained? <br />AL: Or is the County agreeable to him not—is his job agreeable to him not ever <br />testing somebody that he's trained. <br />KK: Because you know- <br />KAMELAMELA: - -He didn't get a final resolution on that. <br />PKO: So, but I have seen ethics complaints resolved by some kind of agreement. I'm <br />just exploring, is that—if he's not going to do it and he doesn't care if he does it, <br />then that might be a resolution. Otherwise, let's just go on ahead. <br />KK: Because if an agreement was reached, in my mind that means that somebody else <br />saw that this has been not an equitable situation. Somebody else thought this was <br />unfair, too, not only, not only these people, or some members of our Board. Do <br />you see my line of reasoning? If in fact the union came up with some solution, <br />saying that Mr. Keliikoa no longer will be doing auditing, then some compromise <br />was made in a back room somewhere, then somebody else obviously found that <br />this was not a fair situation, not an ethical situation. One member at least, over <br />here, felt that that was the situation. <br />KAMELAMELA: I think Mr. Joseph is saying that maybe there's a potential appearance of <br />impropriety, and so he wanted us to direct our from that. But that's <br />where he's coming from. But I see somebody saying there's an <br />actual conflict, then he needs to testify, so to me, let's . Not just <br />the issue that one member of the Board proposed. And also, when I read the Code <br />of Ethics and complaint, it doesn't state anything about appearance of <br />impropriety. Because you know, it leads to all kinds of judgment, and it would <br />prevent —the department itself would would do certain things <br />that it sees as being in the best interest for the public. Because as we heard from <br />him, to me it's objective standards that are being used to ensure that the public <br />safety is protected. So we're —we're at the same issue from different directions, I <br />R <br />