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representing the public, not giving us all of their, you know, opinions about <br />what a profession that he doesn't even know anything about is about. So <br />that'sI just needed, I guess, to vent. <br />DILL: No, thank you for coming in, and especially considering changes to Bill 51, the <br />Council should be heeding your input, the engineers' input, for such significant <br />changes and so much on the line. Thanks for coming in. <br />CHAIR: <br />Thank you, but please wait, because we would like —what was your name <br />again? I'm sorry. <br />SELF: <br />Amy Self, Deputy Corporation Counsel <br />CHAIR: <br />- -I know that name. <br />SELF: <br />I'm not related to Self. <br />ASHIDA: <br />She's a runner. <br />CHAIR: <br />Yeah, that's the Amy Self I know. <br />SELF: <br />Oh, yeah, you're the head of the running —Big Dog? <br />CHAIR: <br />Yes. <br />DILL: <br />That's what we call him. <br />SELF: <br />Okay, I'd like to respond to some of the comments that Ms. Burns made. First <br />of all, I did review the tape of the Public Works Committee meeting this <br />morning, early, early this morning, and the Council meeting that she's <br />referring to —the last Council meeting they held. And she doesn't mention <br />some of the other comments that Councilmember Jacobson made, which <br />was —one of the statements he made in response to one of the testifiers was <br />that engineering is an honorable profession. He has said other things such as <br />"no one here is questioning the ethics of engineers," so my recommendation to <br />you would be, if you decide to proceed with this, is for you to view the tapes <br />yourselves, because you cannot just take it just take the comments that she <br />has made that she picked out of the tapes, so that you can see what his <br />mannerisms were, how he was —the tone of his voice—because I think once <br />you do that, you'll see that he responded to lots of engineers, not just Ms. <br />Burns. And —but this is not about the whole engineering profession. She is <br />here as an individual. She is the one that filed the complaint, so she should be <br />representing how she thinks that he was not courteous to her, not to the entire <br />profession, because many, many engineers testified at both of those meetings, <br />and none of them as far as I know have filed complaints with the Board of <br />Ethics. So I think you need to review those tapes before you make any <br />decisions. From what I could tell after viewing the tapes, Councilmember <br />Jacobson did not at any time raise his voice. He did not make any personal <br />