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attacks on Ms. Burns. It appeared to me, after viewing the tapes, that he was <br />making these comments trying to get, like— trying to get his fellow <br />councilmembers to support the bill, which oftentimes Council members do <br />that, try and get their support for certain bills. But I would suggest that you <br />review these tapes so that you can come to your own conclusions about his <br />behavior, and I don't think that it rises to the level of something that would, <br />you know, be an ethics violation. <br />CHAIR: I think it's a good suggestion. I think we should, before we make any <br />determination, review those tapes. <br />BURNS: May I say one more thing— <br />CHAIR: Yes <br />BURNS: - -that I've had several engineers call me and ask me if they could support me <br />in this, and I don't know the full procedures hereI don't know if they're <br />allowed to send in written testimony, if they have to appear, because I've never <br />done this before. But I've had at least three say that they're behind me and that <br />they wanted to actually be here today but couldn't, so it's not just me. <br />CHAIR: I think it would be helpful if you did get a list of people that support you from <br />your profession as well, but I think you're absolutely right, that we need to <br />review those tapes before we can go any further in this. <br />BURNS: And my other thing about all of his complimenting. He builds us up and then <br />tears us down. And I agree with her. He lobs all these praises on the <br />engineering profession before he goes and discredits, and again, those tactics <br />are just —you know. And the paper picks up the negative part, you know. <br />CHAIR: It may be easier for us if we just view those tapes and got a better indication of <br />what this matter is all about, and so what I would suggest is that Corporation <br />Counsel make the tapes available to us. <br />ASHIDA: Sir, I can do one of <br />CHAIR: - -and this is what I would like, if possible, is that we have the opportunity to <br />view the tapes, if we have enough time, on July 11. <br />ASHIDA: Yes, sir. <br />CHAIR: And if we find that there is questionable evidence in there that supports Ms. <br />Burns, then we reconvene in August to settle this petition. <br />ASHIDA: I'll do that, sir. <br />CHAIR: And members, okay with that? <br />29 <br />