2007-07-11 Board of Ethics Minutes Regular Session

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we don't have walls that go up to the ceiling. There was a discussion, more than our pay raise. The discussion was Emily asking me, Aunty what you going to do, you made any bill for me? I said, Emily we cannot make bills unless we study about what we need. We need to carry an argument if something comes up on our bill, and there was a strong discussion on that, because of our previous bills that got carried with good researching. It is not a difficult thing to do to develop a bill, but to get it passed, you really need to have background in that and she doesn't study. Chair: Now, going back to what you found in the office Xerox machine, those large amount of documents that were printed, that you say were part of Councilwoman Nae`ole's campaign spending. Hale: Okay, let me go back —when I said Xerox —I'm sorry— Chair: No, go ahead. Hale: It was at our printer machine, but she wasn't printing that. Chair: Our printing machine, meaning what? Hale: We have a printing machine that's for the general office, but our printer that prints out in our personal office. You have to go on a computer and print out something. So it is different, a Xerox machine versus our printing machine. Chair: So it was from your computer printer? Hale: Yeah, I was printing something. Gwennie had that material at her desk. Chair: I see. Hale: And whenever I get up, that thing is moved. This is, and I am not too sure if this is all the reasons, but we have a locked cabinet in our office. I've never heard of a locked cabinet in our office. Chair: And you believe this was conducted during County time. Hale: Yes, it was found on her desk on County time. Chair: Do you have any other incidences in which Councilwoman Nae `ole may have used office staff for her own personal business? Hale: Yes. Chair: Could you tell that to us? Hale: It was several occasions. It's difficult because nobody really talks to me, but it was over a photo. I recall Emily having problems with having too many car 19