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like [inaudible] trying to park and trying to run around, especially. I don't care to <br />leave the office once I get there unless I'm going to do research. I'm questioned <br />when I go and research, and I am fine, I am fine with the questions. But I don't <br />recall Emily ever questioning Gwen when she doesn't come back on time, or is not <br />at her desk. She never questions, and I don't think she realizes that it's often. <br />Lum: So, my question, really —was incidents of Ms. Nae`ole asking, not a staff member <br />doing something on her own, and not being questioned, but Ms. Nae`ole actually <br />asking staff to do her personal errands? <br />Hale: Yes, she does ask. <br />Lum: So, that's like picking up the child from school. <br />Hale: Go take pictures. <br />Lum: Thank you. <br />Chair: No other questions by the Board members? If not, I am going to ask a couple last <br />questions. Back to Ms. Jarman. You did speak to her about possible ethical <br />violations and she wasn't able to help you, is that correct? <br />Hale: That's correct. <br />Chair: Okay. Then, can you— Mr. Strauss, you did supply a list of witnesses, and know I <br />understand your position is you are not the petitioner and you don't necessarily <br />want us to call these witnesses— <br />Strauss: —That is not an accurate recounting of what I stated. It's up to you who you call <br />as witnesses. We were asked to provide a list of witnesses who we thought would <br />have information that the ethics commission may want to —they want to consider. <br />Sorry, I didn't realize this one wasn't on. But, we're — again, we are not a party. <br />There are rules in the ethics commission that provides for parties, and rights of <br />parties — <br />Chair: —I understand all that, but when you submit a list of witnesses that we might want <br />to call, it would have been helpful saying why those witnesses are helpful. For <br />example, Liz Bonell- <br />Strauss: —I had expected you to ask Ms. Hale about that while we were here. <br />Chair: Then I'll do that right now. <br />Strauss: Great, and I had expected that you might want to ask her about what these exhibits <br />show, even the exhibits we don't have that we identified for you. That is what I <br />expected. <br />Chair: I will do that right now. <br />29 <br />