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sound very arrogant and pushy. " I don't think that's cultural. I don't think it belongs to
<br />any particular people. I think a lot of times when we leave messages, we wish we could
<br />say wait, wait, erase. But that's the danger of leaving messages. You can't take them
<br />back. Were you acquainted —Ms. Naeole, were you acquainted with Lisa Nahoopii
<br />before she testified-
<br />NAEOLE: - -No, I think knew her father, yeah, `cause I went to Pahoa School from
<br />kindergarten to twelfth grade. And that last name ringed a bell to me.
<br />L UM: Well, there area lot of Nahoopii 's-
<br />NAEOLE: Yeah.
<br />L UM: But she's not somebody that-
<br />NAEOLE: - -No, I never knew her, like, yeah. So you know, that was what was
<br />mentioned. But, so--I said even though she sounded like that, to me I understood her
<br />mana `o, yeah, and so that's why what followed, even though she was arrogant, and I said
<br />I understood her mana `o.
<br />LUM: You know, because you're a Hawaiian speaker, you certainly understand the
<br />levels of meaning of different words and how they have — different words have different
<br />meanings.
<br />NAEOLE: Right, right.
<br />L UM And I find that the word 'pushy, " I think it's tougher on a woman to be called
<br />pushy than a man. I think people don't use that word with men, and so I think that
<br />women tend to be a little more sensitive to that word. So I'm trying to look at it from Ms.
<br />Nahoopii 's point of view. If I picked up my phone and I heard that message, I think I
<br />would probably appreciate that you took the interest, but I would have a hard time
<br />getting past that sentence, even with the - -even with the understanding of the mana `o and
<br />what you say later on. And I wonder also that —at the end of your message, if you didn't
<br />kind of, when you say, "I hope it doesn't bend you out of shape, " if you weren't kind of
<br />sensitive to the fact that maybe you had been a little harsh. And you know, your
<br />feelings your feelings in you, something in you told you oh, wait a minute, maybe I was
<br />a little hard on this lady, because she has her right to speak at a public hearing.
<br />NAEOLE: These —if you heard what the testimony was like, and you don't have that
<br />ability to hear that, you know, to me —it was just the truth. I cannot help myself. I hate to
<br />lie, yeah. I have a problem with lying, that's why I'm a bad politician. I know I'm a bad
<br />politician because of my lying tactics. I don't like to lie. And when I normally talk, I
<br />always tell the truth. I cannot help it. And if I did you know, and the thing is, like I
<br />said, I second — Donald asked for it— either was me or Donald. But I remember, you
<br />know, after I heard all the people saying, and then I had to —when came time for the vote,
<br />I really when change my whole mana `o. Because I really wasn't going for the bond float
<br />at that time, yeah, because how I felt about issues that maybe would be better taken care
<br />of than the civics center. But after hearing Pahoa and the people that was there, and the
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