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CHAIR: I mean 8 -11, okay. <br />COLE: This could have been heard had it, according to the minutes, had it been <br />L UM: - -We already made a finding -- <br />CHAIR: - -Yeah, so that's not on the agenda. <br />COLE: Yes. Well it's on the agenda in reference to this petition. <br />CHAIR: Okay. <br />MARTIN: Mr. Chairman? <br />CHAIR: Yes, sir. <br />MARTIN: Mr. Cole made a statement. I couldn't understand what he means by legal <br />fiction. <br />COLE: Legal fiction. What that is, is it's a vehicle, or let's say we're for legal fiction <br />in this purpose, we'd be taking the documents and statements in this here, the court <br />statements, the records, the correspondence, the evidence, and under your <br />rule for investigation and procedures, you could take testimony from others, subpoena <br />witnesses, etcetera, to understand exactly what officials did and how their conflicts of <br />interest did in fact were violated at the County Ethics Code. So you're using this as a <br />means to an ends, as merely a vehicle. <br />LUM: However, we are hearing <br />COLE: - -or procedure -- <br />L UM.• -- Petition 2009 -2, claiming that Emily Naeole did not treat you courteously and <br />that she called you whacky in a statement -- <br />COLE: --And thatpetition's also <br />L UM: - -and I have yet <br />COLE: -- incorporated in this petition, yes <br />CHAIR: - -Okay, why don't we <br />LUM: - -I'm just trying to get back to where we're at here. <br />CHAIR: Okay. Now thank you, Mr. Cole. <br />COLE: Um hmm. <br />14 <br />