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satisfied with. Nobody going be happy. We are going to get some angry guys; cannot help. I agree with Mr. Melrose, we tried moving that boundary over the river when we were playing with the map last week. It just didnÓt make any sense. My kupuna, yesterday, in a design charrette, Aunty Elizabeth Lee; her boundary is her ahupuaÒa. Her boundary is where she comes from; her kuleana. It doesnÓt have these district lines that create this sense of equality. Because that is what we would really want; a sense of equality under which everyone has a fair shake to elect their officials so we get fair representation. And thatÓs the bottom line; but our kupuna no think like that. I agree that there comes a point, like the Wailua River, you canÓt do it; maybe just out of custom, it might be prohibitive. We do the best we can, and I hope that with that said, the community understands. The dialogue helps us create that understanding. If I can just put at ease my reality, then I think people will grasp our job to which I think we end up with a result that is not going to please everybody, but it is one that we have been tasked to do. Thank you. MR. KANUHA: I agree with everything Mr. Kahui just said. Looking at communities of interest, actually we spoke about this a few weeks ago when we had a community up at Yano Hall, and one of the persons that testified said he came from NpÒopoÒo down in Kealakekua, and this past redistricting, in 2001, they split the community right in half. One side of the road is District 6 and one side of the road is District 7. He said a lot of the people down there didnÓt understand why their neighbor had to go to a whole different place to vote, somewhere else. Nobody really understood. His advice was, especially in that community because it is such a close knit community, everybody knows each other, it is a whole that community intact, as one. ThatÓs one of the recommendations he gave for communities of interest. I totally agree with him, so IÓm going to recommend to the Commission for that specific area, if you are looking at maps that do split up that area, to keep that in mind, that the people down there donÓt want that area to be split. ThatÓs just from one person. I really want to see what the rest of the people, when we do have these community meetings have to say, if they do show up to these meetings. I like to keep communities of interest together and hopefully we can. CHR. SIRACUSA: And thatÓs the sort of thing that I had in mind, because IÓm in Puna; what do I know about what is happening in Waikloa? And visa versa. So we need to hear from each other what the issues are that are especially dear to our hearts regarding this. Now, weÓve been working with the software, we see there are some areas like Hmkua and KaÒ that are very sparsely populated. This creates one kind of a challenge when we are making the maps bec we have to pull those numbers from somewhere else. And then there are other areas, like Paradise Park, which, no matter what community you put it into, what district you put it into, itÓs suddenly goes way over the numbers; because itÓs one community w same thing for Waikloa. So weÓve go our work cut out for us. I, personally, would like to see Volcano down to about Keaau as one Puna district and from Kalapana, going in the same direction towards KeaÒau, as a second Puna district. But itÓs really hard to work it up with the numbers; especially sometimes when the software is not very cooperative. Does anybody have any thing else that they would like to add on this agenda item? MR. MELROSE: Just a quick comment. I was trying to figure out what other challenges we face trying to create these communities of interest. One of the things that struck me was that the DOE does this around schools. Where do people go to school? They struggle with that. You 16