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accomplish. Just as if there were three seats in Hilo, or three seats in another place, thatÓs not the goal either. We are looking for a level playing field, so I was just trying to get out a bit and hoping we could just to a simple agreement on that. But if not, I just want us to have this conversation because I think it is one of the underlying conversations. We are going to need to find some discernment, and so I was just trying to structure some very general discernment. MR. KAHAWAIOLAÒA : Then, for the sake of our discussion, as we move forward, that it not be in the form of a motion. Because a motion does bind all of us that this is the only way you can look at a map that is being presented. So letÓs look at what is there. I think we looked at several maps last meeting, and quickly a consensus developed. But it would be a map that would be no longer considered because it had more than two districts here, and districts there. I need to be sure that we donÓt bind ourselves and the playing field moves just through a motion that we th are now bound by those two things. I think our job is to look at a map. The 15 of September is the deadline for alternatives; a map that needs to be brought from the public. That may not be the map that is going to be presented in the final analysis. This Commission may come up with its own map. I want that to be crystal clear, so we all underst drawn and submitted and we have got to make that decision. Some of the best maps the public may present to us, we may tweak it, we may just agree. That individual may have just presented that will resolve our problem. So I just donÓt want to be bound I think it is a possibility that we all can work towards that goal. ThatÓs my only concern. MS. POINDEXTER : IÓm now starting to agree with Patrick, because if you look back at how people are struggling because of the deviations and what is put in the Charter about how much we can increase and decrease; it has somewhat strapped your hands. Maybe not necessarily when you go to law; but somebody will challenge that. But I think itÓs the same situation here where we may be locking our hands and not being able to move because of that restriction if we put that motion in. So right now I am agreeing with Patrick. MR. MIDDLESWORTH: We can always change our minds. We are not writing laws that area going to be enforced by anybody, this is just a general idea of what we are talking about. If down the road somebody comes up with an absolutely super map that only has one district in Hilo, we can always change our minds and go with that. So I think we are spinning our wheels on this. MR. KAHAWAIOLAÒA: We are spinning our wheels if we do it in the form of a motio The motion was defeated by the following tie vote: Ayes: Commissioners Melrose, Middlesworth, Ugalde, and Chair Siracusa. Noes: Commissioners Carvalho, KahawaiolaÓa, Kanuha and Poindexter. Absent: Commissioner Kahui. MR. MELROSE: I want to withdraw the motion and weÓll deal with it as a general direction and agreement. 14