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many we think we are going to do, but I'm assuming it is a relatively small number. In it, are some that actually work, and that have a couple of different alternatives, and play them out differently. MR. UDOVIC: People would expect that; but I'm just saying that if they want to comment on things, than that is their choice at the public hearings. MR. MELROSE: Sure, we are not limiting what they can speak to. They can speak to any map in the process. Just as an example, Puna has 45,000 votes; that is enough for two seats. There is no question to me that there are two seats in the Puna District. There are also about 4,800 or so votes that have to go someplace else. So, they can either go to Ka`u or they can go to Hilo. That being said, there are two ways to split Puna. That is an upper and a lower, or an east and a west. We do have an option. I think we do have an upper and a lower option in Plan _2 and an east and a west option in Plan _10. So to me that is a way to go out with two maps, and we can talk about Puna in two different ways. CHR. SIRACUSA: The problem with east and west Puna is that you don't have road access for some of the communities on the west side of Highway 130. They are basically cul -de -sac communities and they can't get out anywhere without leaving a council district. MR. MELROSE: If the line goes down the middle of the road, they can drive one side of the road and get there. CHR. SIRACUSA: But actually the side of the road they would be driving on would be the wrong side of the road. MR. MELROSE: Okay, but do you get my point? My point is that we are looking for two options; these are two things that are fair. In either case, I don't know that you can get a number that doesn't cut portions of Hawaiian Paradise Park. You can't stay below the number in either of those scenarios and hold Hawaiian Paradise Park together as a whole. Anyways, my point is that we should think strategically about the maps so that we are presenting different concepts in the maps as well as trying to get whole pictures that work. CHR. SIRACUSA: It is interesting that in the fastest growing areas we are supposed to try to give the lower numbers to account for future growth. Hawaiian Paradise Park is growing by leaps and bounds. The other day I went down to see a friend, with the blue hair there, and she lives all the way at the bottom of Hawaiian Paradise Park. As I was driving down Maku`u, I passed about five or six homes under construction, just on that one road going down into the subdivision, and there are several other main roads that go down into the subdivision and, of course, all of the cross streets. So. I have no idea of how fast it is building out, but I do suspect that it will, by the next time we go through this exercise, Hawaiian Paradise Park will probably be a district unto itself. This is just a point of information for everybody. MR. MELROSE: Hawaiian Paradise Park grew from 7,000 people in 2000 to 11,000 in 2010. CHR. SIRACUSA: Big jump. 22