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MR. MELROSE: Yeah, okay, thank you. VICE CHR. KANUHA: Any other questions for Ms. Irwin? Okay, moving on to the next testifier we have Rick Warshauer. I hope I said that right. MR. WARSHAUER: Thank you folks for hanging in all those years. For the first time ever I've got confidence that maybe we'll get a product that I like. The last couple really sucked so we got a long ways to go to get something good. And I see most of the plans up there I don't really like. In fact I don't see anything I like completely yet so, I urge you to do what you said you were going to do earlier that there's a possibility to do hybrids. And the one that catches my eye the most I've seen under two different numbers, 27 modified and 40 modified. And I'm familiar with that so I won't belabor it. But basically I take a contrary view from the last speaker. I really feel Volcano belongs in Puna. I've lived in Volcano for forty years and visited for ten or fifteen years prior to that and the whole time Volcano is strongly attached to Puna and is a part of Puna. And Volcano basically as I know it runs from Volcano Golf Course down to Akatsuka's Orchids in that area. So it's a large diffused area and to split it would be really, really bad. More importantly, or just as importantly, the County has finally gotten serious about Community Development Plans. So we've got several established on the island, the one in Ka`u is under way and one for Puna has been completed with a lot of effort. I was involved in it and those areas divided at the Volcano Golf Course. To the west was Ka`u and to the east was Puna and I know your directions are not to split communities. We shouldn't split Community Development Plan areas either and I think that's something you should very strongly keep in mind throughout this thing. And all these plans except for one of them do that. And I think that would really be bad if one arm of the County is moving one direction and another arm is going the other. I think you need to be a little more consistent. Okay. VICE CHR. KANUHA: Thank you. Any questions? MR. MELROSE: You know Rick, I appreciate your history in town and I mean it's clear that Puna has 45,000 residents, that's two seats at 20,000 a piece plus 5,000 other votes and you can't split them half by half cause you end up breaking the law. You're now ten percent over. If you were just to split it in half and create two districts and all keep it in Puna you'd be over your number and you would have ten percent variation in each of those districts. The particular districts that are growing and actually should be lower than at the end of their spectrum. So, part of our challenge is what we have to deal with is where do you draw those lines and do you share the Volcano vote with Kea` au or do you move Hilo into Kea` au. But from your, because somewhere along the line you have to move a district to pick up some of that vote because there's simply too many. So in your view, is it more, I understand where you live and your priorities there but there are two separate kinds of choices. If this was your choice how would you make those choices? To have Puna stay with the National Park in the Ka`u district or bring Hilo in and pick up the Kea`au central core of town? Conceptually that's a question I want to challenge you with and see what you do with it. 12