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choice. If we could, believe me, we would redraw the census lines so that it could be a better County of Hawaii. And that is why we have this opportunity now to give some written information to put together on what could have happened better or we talk about census blocks and what could happen better. So don't believe this was a last minute change, because it was not a last minute change. What we did the last minute for that district, was on November 3rd when they had no clue we were going to come out with that change. And that is when the testimony came in; like Hamakua. Hamakua didn't show up until that last minute change and then boom, they came out. Not last minute change, the change we were making. So know that we were working in good faith, and I just felt like it was a slap in the face to read in the paper that they were trying to cast a shadow over our integrity; because I have my values and I know we all share the same thing. So, I hope what I explained can help you understand where and what we did as a Commission. So thank you for allowing me to speak. CHR. SIRACUSA: Thank you. And I know, I'm pretty sure, that the other Commissioners all have things that they would like to express to the public, and I think this is a good forum for it. So, who wants to be next? Joseph? I'm looking at you. MR. CARVALHO: Yes, please. I really agree with Val. Well said, well said. Now, it's too bad that the little changes that we made as we were massaging the maps for the last time, gave the impression that we were doing something improper. I really feel bad for that. I assure you guys that we were doing our best to make sure the maps were fine, and that we were listening to the people. If it came out looking improper, it's a bad thing and I am sorry it happened. But we did not do anything out of sorts, thank you. CHR. SIRACUSA: Thank you, Joseph. MR. KAHAWAIOLA`A: I would just like to echo the other two Commissioners, but I need to set the record straight. Because those testimony, like the newspaper said, Fresh got his friends to do; I will tell you the content, if you don't know the contents of that testimony, public testimony. The contents were they wanted totally different lines. We drew the lines from the ocean back in. We took three bases of Hilo historically; Hilo Hanakai, Hilo One, and Hilo Paliku. That is the cliffs, the ocean front, beach front, bay front, and back then into Hilo. We took those three. They wanted the lines to remain how it's been for the last 30 -40 years. That was the content of that testimony. And obviously the Commissioners from Hilo said, it aint going to work, it can't work with the line that has been around for 30 -40 years; which would have kept three Hilo districts. We lost a Hilo district and I will sit here and say I was proud to lose that Hilo district because Puna came forth and said, "We want to be Puna." People in Fern Forest were always a part of District 3. The numbers - - -I couldn't get away from the numbers. So Puna became those two separate districts. Puna just has too much people, so the overflow had to go somewhere. It couldn't go to - - -If the public would just - -- There is a lady that sits on the end. I want all of you to look at Commissioner Ugalde. Had she not acquiesced, or stayed and fought to stay in Puna, we would have split Waikoloa. We would have been all "hammajang" all over this place. But when she said, "Move me 20