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into Ka`u, but I got to take all of this." So she took all of Volcano into Ka`u. When she did
<br />that, it freed up Puna, it put Fern Forest, Orchidland, whatever, everybody back; kept
<br />Paradise Park as one. We want to be together, because if you take us away, we own the
<br />road, we own this, we own that. Waikoloa jumped up and said we are condominium
<br />owners, we own this, you are splitting us; we are going to be disenfranchised. That helped
<br />us, as Commissioners, to make that.
<br />The process will show - - -I come from District 4 in Hilo. We made hardly any input in the
<br />beginning because we needed to see where the other places were. They were the ones
<br />coming out. I will do - - -As Valerie just said, only one person came out in her community;
<br />three in Hilo. But that was before Hilo started to- - -They assumed that we were going to stay
<br />the same way. And when people began to assume, and then find out it's not going to be the
<br />same, that is when we got the faxes. But I want to remind all of you here; the faxes did not
<br />deter, did not make me change my vote for the line, because I didn't agree with the lines that
<br />they were putting in here. I would clearly say what the Chairman articulated in the paper.
<br />The names were indecipherable; we couldn't see who they were. They didn't have any
<br />other names, so how did I know that they came from that district? IL,WU employs people
<br />all over this island. And it is not wrong; it is not wrong for Fresh to be able to round his
<br />troops. Yeah, he even asked me; "Was I stupid for doing that ?" Well, you are the
<br />politician, I'm not. You see, you gotta run for re- election, you gotta get out in that district,
<br />whether it is against J or not. But, I would also agree that Mr. Hoffmann made his point,
<br />Brenda Ford came out and made her point, Mr. Yagong; but also, Fresh, because he was
<br />with the other three and he came here on the 22'd when we had it in Hilo, you know, for a
<br />point of clarification, but trying to suggest that we keep the lines as it is. So, I want the
<br />people to know, Hilo lost a district because the numbers just could not support what it is
<br />after Puna said, "Keep us Puna, keep us there." And their argument was, for me, it stood
<br />well. For the purpose of they having this representation, because by sheer virtue of their
<br />numbers, made it clear that they got it. So, the last minute changes again, were not that.
<br />The minutes would reflect, the minutes we just approved reflected that. We made a change
<br />because 8 '/z Camp was not contiguous. They had no connection. We moved 8 '/z mile
<br />Camp, maybe 170 people, to make sure that they can be contiguous, so they are not lost
<br />from some road somewhere. When we did that, it overflowed into this, we need to make a
<br />little tweak, we tweaked the corner, and low and below, just be the corner that these two
<br />Councilmen are in separate districts. But when we left here, when we left here, we did
<br />everything over and above board. I had no idea that these guys were now in the same
<br />district until several days later. So, we were not here; not myself, and I can only speak for
<br />myself, Mr. Melrose and Mr. Middlesworth, because we were the guys that were doing the
<br />Hilo. When I defer to the guys from Kona, I didn't want to get involved about the mountain
<br />top, and the way the water flows, because I don't know nothing about Kona. But I sure
<br />wish the people would respect us here. And I was not prepared, I was not prepared. Being a
<br />Commissioner ten years ago on this thing, to again be accused of gerrymandering something
<br />that I did not even know what gerrymandering was ten years ago, just for the sake of the
<br />perception that I have now allowed J Yoshimoto to be in one, and Fresh to stay in his. But
<br />to make it clear, Fresh is my representative, I voted for him the last time, and I also would,
<br />like someone mentioned, you make assertions about the newspaper; well I would defer, if
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