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<br />AU: Okay, thank you. <br /> <br />MOSES: Mr. Chair? <br /> <br />KERN: Commissioner Moses. <br /> <br />MOSES: I just have a quick question. Maybe you can educate me. I don't understand health care as <br />far as Medicaid, Medicare and private insurance. But I would assume, for your facility for it to be <br />financially sound and sustainable, what percentage are we looking at as far as the patients that will <br />reside there? Is there a percentage that you have to have private care, private insurance versus <br />Medicare or Medicaid, or does that not even have anything to do with it? <br /> <br />STROUD: Normally what we find is that in most skilled facilities 90% plus of our residents are either <br />Medicaid or Medicare, which would be the state or the counties, or state and federal funding. A much <br />smaller percentage tend to be private pay. Usually because the cost of care, like hospital care or <br />anything else, has become so great that the majority of people who access those services did not live <br />and work in a time when they were able to accumulate the resources necessary to pay privately. That’s <br />true across the country. And so it's a very, very high percentage that we would normally see with both <br />State and Federal funding, and that's, not understanding Medicare and Medicaid is nothing unusual <br />even for me. <br /> <br />KERN: Thank you. Commissioner Ono? <br /> <br />ONO: Yes. This question may be out of line but I think I'm the one with the most self interest if you <br />look at the age of the panel. I'm about there. At any rate I'm just curious, the history of your <br />company? My concern, is this a development thing, I guess for, I need to know more about the <br />background of your company. <br /> <br />STROUD: Okay, sure. <br /> <br />ONO: Is this where you construct and sell or is this construct and, you know –? <br /> <br />STROUD: No, no. We build, own and operate. I run the development division. I own a number of <br />facilities myself within the group. We as a company have been around since the 60s. We retain our <br />properties. In fact, occasionally we operate properties for other owners. But we don't build them and <br />sell them. It is pretty hard to do today anyway. But normally in instances where, in Washington state <br />for example, we act as a receiver for properties that are operated by an operator that maybe doesn't do a <br />good job. The State comes in and takes over, we’ll operate for them. But as far as there, we become a <br />part of the community. And that's, as I say, I worked as an administrator at our quaint facility out at <br />Waimea years ago, haven’t worked in any of the others here locally. But we certainly own and <br />operate, and will continue to do so. There is another operational model where people will go in, just <br />build the facility almost on speculation, and then just hire someone else, but that’s not our model, no. <br /> <br />ONO: Thank you. <br /> <br /> 14 <br /> EXHIBIT B <br /> <br /> <br />