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be an economic impact? And would 41 trees have an economic impact in the market place? I’ll leave that question for you. <br /> <br />MR. BALSIS: Thank you very much. Are there any questions for Ms. Ford’s attorney by any person on the Board here? <br /> <br />MR. ADAMS: Referencing the Supreme Court case that you—can you tell us if there’s been any subsequent state implementation or execution of the ruling that the Supreme Court made, the Tangen ruling that you talked about? <br /> <br />MR. MATSUKAWA: The Carrigan case? The Carrigan case was in 2010, and I think most states have recognized, including our state, that—and I can quote you the Hawai‘i case, that there’s a limit to what you can do. And the purpose is—and last night I read a case that came from California and Arkansas with a similar quotation. And this is directly from the legislative reports, at least for Hawai‘i. It is easy to become over-zealous and to forget the impact which a broad restriction may have. It is not necessarily the conflict of competing interests which should be prohibited, but only unethical actions that arise out of those conflicts. And this in reference to that state statute that has very similar language about directly affecting a business or financial undertaking. <br /> <br />MR. ADAMS: That quotation came from a legislative report to one of the Hawai‘i statutes? <br /> <br />MR. MATSUKAWA: That’s correct. <br /> <br />MR. ADAMS: And so what about—you mentioned the Supreme Court ruling? <br /> <br />MR. MATSUKAWA: The Supreme Court ruling arose in Carrigan, which was to determine the nature of a vote. The question was when someone votes, is that a statement of speech that was protected by the First Amendment. And so the U.S. Supreme Court said no, that vote represents the expression of the electorate. And so to what degree could you regulate it, the court left it to each state to resolve. <br /> <br />MR. ADAMS: Thank you. <br /> <br />MR. BALSIS: Are there any other—go ahead. <br /> <br />MS. FORD: May I have a moment to confer with my attorney? Just a moment, right here? <br /> <br />MR. BALSIS: Yes. <br /> <br />(Ms. Ford and Mr. Matsukawa briefly conferred.)