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MR. HISASHIMA: Like Mr. Henricks is saying, you have to challenge the discipline with your union. <br /> <br /> MR. DRUTAR: And I will—I am. <br /> <br /> MR. HISASHIMA: When they find out the decision on that, that will reflect with the policy. Because I’ve been through cases, a new policy come out and we lost, because the union going come back—and this is the state. I don’t know if the County do—you never consult with us, so that policy does not hold water. You have to consult. You should look at your union. <br /> <br /> MR. DRUTAR: I can answer that question. My union representative was out that week, and it got—Lisa Nahoopii brought it to someone that she’s known for a long time. They put it through without speaking to the union stewards in my office. And then the union says well, that’s the way it went, and it’s in now, and we consulted with the union because we talked to Maile’s boss, and even though we didn’t talk to your union stewards, who would have known they’re just crafting this now to bring Mike out of compliance. Don’t ever talk to them about that. <br /> <br /> MR. HISASHIMA: But I would challenge it with them. <br /> <br /> MR. HENRICKS: Okay, here’s where my reluctance is, like I keep trying to go back to. I don’t— <br /> <br /> MR. DRUTAR: --I don’t expect a ruling today— <br /> <br /> MR. HENRICKS: --Wait, wait, wait— <br /> <br /> MR. DRUTAR: My apologies. <br /> <br /> MR. HENRICKS: Let me—my reluctance is that I’m reluctant to make a ruling on something that the department has done that’s not before us. That’s like I’m actually saying I’m going to overrule what they did or not __________ what they did. I’m reluctant to do that, very reluctant, especially when there’s a processes in place to determine if they’re correct or not. All right, if I were to make a ruling on whether their policy is right or wrong, I would need a lot more information than I have now. I would have Corp Counsel go to the department, have a written statement of that policy so I can look at it, and then the basis for that policy—what they feel that policy is based on. Then I would know where to go from there. At this point I could not even go forward, you understand. I’m stuck. <br /> <br /> MR. DRUTAR: After speaking with you folks, I definitely realize that this is something that—and I apologize for wasting your time, because I’m starting to wonder if that’s what I did—but is this something I’m going to have to resubmit in a different format where—because right now you’re getting one side of the story. You need both sides of the story, and that’s basically what you’re saying. You need to hear what Real Property is saying, too. You need to