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<br />Ms. Noda: In Mr. Drutar’s specific circumstance? <br /> <br />Mr. Hisashima: No, in any case similar to this. I don’t want to use people’s names. Is the <br />process alright with you folks that it’s legal, meaning bring a charge, investigate, sanction, to <br />your knowledge, that’s appropriate? <br /> <br />Ms. Noda: Yes. <br /> <br />Mr. Hisashima: Can I have Mr. Hermes? <br /> <br />Ms. Noda: Mr. Hermes. <br /> <br />Mr. Hisashima: No you can sit there cause I’m going back to you. Can you please identify <br />yourself and your title. <br /> <br />Mr. Hermes: Good morning, Nicholas Hermes, Deputy Director of Human Resources. <br /> <br />Mr. Hisashima: I have a problem. This gentleman that filed the petition, what union <br />represents him? <br /> <br />Mr. Hermes: Sir, technically he’s no longer an employee. <br /> <br />Mr. Hisashima: I understand that. <br /> <br />Mr. Hermes: He was represented by the Hawai‘i Government Employee’s Association <br />in Bargaining Unit 3… <br /> <br />From the Gallery: I think it was 13. <br /> <br />Mr. Hermes: Okay, 13. <br /> <br />Mr. Hisashima: Okay. I read both, I got the union book., I read the two. My question to <br />you is, since Ms. Crawford had said that a violation was made, an investigation was done, <br />charges were brought up, all kind of charges, Ms. Leithead-Todd, as what we call it in our world <br />is piling up, pile up all the violations so we can pick one that will sit, after all that was done, <br />sanctions were made. He was given I think, 2 weeks, something like that. Sanction, leave <br />without pay, right? <br /> <br />Ms. Noda: I think 10 days reduced to 5. <br /> <br />Mr. Hisashima: No, no, no. The only reason I’m bringing this up to you is because it’s out <br />of our jurisdiction now because it now becomes the union’s one. And the last time Ms. <br />Crawford said because of the confidentiality with the union, we cannot discuss it. Sanctions were <br />made, now that becomes grieveable. That is the union process. We do not have jurisdiction on <br />that. True? <br />18 <br /> <br /> <br />