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the Board of Ethics in response to her request. Later in that same <br />meeting she was asked when did you submit the request, and she <br />said this morning. Well of course she hadn’t heard from you then, <br />she just then, she just told us that she only submitted it that very <br />same morning. Then, then it was at the later meeting you know <br />st <br />that we found out about on the 21, the Board of Ethics said that <br />they hadn’t even gotten the request that she had you know, told us <br />that she had submitted. So I was, I was frustrated with the <br />situation with Ms. Kawachi \[sic\] if, there was some kind of <br />misunderstanding between the two Boards I apologize to you, but I <br />wasn’t aware of that at the time. <br /> <br />Mr. Adams: Thank you. <br /> <br />Ms. Tita: So are we also to then say that Ms. MacDonald is not being <br />truthful here in front of this Commission? Is she not being <br />truthful? She’s a representative of the, of, in society here in good <br />standing. <br /> <br />Mr. Adams: Sure let me address that, alright. What we have here is we have <br />the opportunity to listen to a variety of witnesses, right? We’re <br />having an informal hearing so we’re having this conversation <br />right? We already had the judge provide some of his thoughts on it <br />and he even provided a scenario for us right? You won’t have any <br />of us say, I think I can say this. You won’t have any of us say that <br />anybody here is speaking untruthfully. I don’t believe anybody <br />here is speaking untruthfully. Does that mean, so what does that <br />mean? It means that everybody has their own specific perspective <br />of what occurred right? Doesn’t mean that there are lies being <br />tossed around, but does mean you have different perspectives. Part <br />of our responsibility as a Board is then to try and address those <br />different perspectives and see whether they fit into the ordinance <br />that we have in front of us, the charter that we have in front of us <br />and how that then plays out. So I don’t want you to go away from <br />here or even being in here with the idea that we think that <br />somebody told the truth and somebody didn’t tell the truth. <br />Personally I think you’re all telling the truth as you know it. It’s <br />our responsibility to try and figure that out. <br /> <br />Mr. Balsis: Are there any further comments from the Board or questions? <br />Okay at this point in time if you could just remain there just in case <br />we have any further questions. The Board will go into discussion. <br />I’m just going to go around the… <br /> <br />Ms. Kahakalau: Yeah I think the… <br /> <br />15 <br /> <br /> <br />