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<br />UNGER: Yes. <br /> <br />BRILHANTE: Just a point of order. Are we still on the primary topic item regarding her <br />petition for standing? <br /> <br />UNGER: Yes, we are. Right. So if you can be specific to, what the Commission has to decide <br />today is your petition for standing, and so what we are looking at is specifically, you know, are <br />your interest distinguishable from the general public, and will these proposed actions cause you <br />actual or threatened injury? So if you could be specific to that, because that’s what we are, that’s <br />what we are considering in this petition. <br /> <br />MCMICHAEL: Okay, so, I am different from – who, the petitioner here or the? <br /> <br />UNGER: How are your interests different than the public interest? I mean this process is set up <br />for the public interest, this is the public’s opportunity to testify. What you are saying is your <br />interests are distinguishable from the general public for specific reasons because bodily harm or <br />very — <br /> <br />MCMICHAEL: Yes, I’ll be bodily harmed from the — <br /> <br />UNGER: — or very specifically why your interests are different than the general public. <br /> <br />MCMICHAEL: Well, I will be harmed there. <br /> <br />PATEL: Sorry, Mr. Chair, if I can, just to clarify. So we are focused right now on why the <br />petition for standing should or should not be granted. So as I read your petition – should or <br />should not, yeah – so as I read your petition, you are basing your petition on that you had an <br />interest clearly distinguishable from that of the general public. But what Chair was alluding to is <br />that even if you do not have an interest clearly distinguishable from that of the general public, <br />can you show that the proposed action that is the extension of time, will cause you actual or <br />threatened injury in fact? And that’s under Commission Rule 4-6(b). So if you can limit your <br />testimony here to those issues. <br /> <br />MCMICHAEL: Well, I have West Hawai‘i Surfing Association that is different from the <br />general public, and it’s for surfing and to save the surf spot. This is a surf spot. And I’m <br />registered with the State of Hawai‘i. So I’m different from the rest; I’ve been saving surf spots <br />for, since the 1980’s. This is a major surf spot. So is Kahalu‘u. And I’ve paid the State to be in <br />that position and no one else has. And I’m here for the future generation, to save the surf spots <br />for the future generation of the keikies. That’s all I’ve been doing, from Kohanaiki, Banyan’s <br />and now Kahalu‘u, and now Lyman’s. So I’m different from the public; I’m registered, no one <br />else is. <br /> <br />UNGER: Okay, thank you. So, Commissioners, any questions of applicant, petitioner, County? <br /> <br />8 <br />EXHIBIT B <br /> <br />