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Mr. Goodenow: I guess we're proceeding then with the informal hearing. I...you <br /> know I'm really conflicted because on the one hand the petitioner <br /> has not submitted anything other than newspaper articles. Yes we <br /> all read the papers...we've seen television...but I mean this is you <br /> know a qua-si judicial proceeding...generally you have the <br /> petitioner submitted evidence. I mean we're here and there's <br /> nothing that's been submitted. What evidence do we have <br /> presented by Mr. Hyland? That really...makes it...complicated for <br /> me because on the other hand...the Mayor aside I think our County <br /> employees need some kind of guidance regarding using the p-card <br /> and it seems apparent that the issue isn't very clear and I think if <br /> would be good for the Board to send a message to say it may not <br /> have been clear before but hey from this point on you shouldn't <br /> use your p-card for private use and if something incidental <br /> happens...you know after being notified in a reasonable time...you <br /> know you need to pay it back. I think we need to...you know <br /> based on...both what's in the Charter and the Code as far as you <br /> know in an essence it could be seen as an interest free loan <br /> right...so I think we should do that but again we don't have a <br /> petitioner...nothing's been submitted...what are we really looking <br /> at? <br /> Mr. Adams: So if I may Madame Chair. We're still in the testimony from the <br /> respondent position. <br /> Mr. Goodenow: Oh I thought that was over. <br /> Mr. Adams: No...they've asked a question that has to do with you know what's <br /> the petition...the petition is 015-03. It was provided April 17, <br /> 2015. All of the correspondence that I'm aware of has been <br /> provided to the respondent that's associated with it. We've <br /> received all of that correspondence as well. Through a series of <br /> motions, we have come to this point where we are now considering <br /> it in an informal hearing stage. It's never been dismissed and so <br /> the fact that we don't have...well I'll get to that as part of the <br /> discussion phase...and so I Madame Chair I would invite further <br /> testimony if there is further testimony from the respondent's <br /> representative. <br /> Ms. Kahakalau: I agree...I was going to suggest the exact thing. <br /> Mr. Goodenow: My apologizes. <br /> Ms. Kahakalau: So could we please have any response or do you have any response <br /> to Petition No. 2015-03? <br /> 18 <br />