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Mr. Sing: So I think preliminarily...we object to proceeding without the <br /> petitioner being present. We object to representative of the <br /> petitioner being permitted to provide testimony. We object to this <br /> Board moving forward with an informal advisory hearing without <br /> any request contrary to its rules. If we are having a hearing and <br /> believe me I mean if we're moving forward...we're requesting the <br /> hearing as well cause we don't agree to this. Pursuant to your own <br /> riles...when the respondent request a hearing and disputes <br /> this...then'it's to be deemed an investigatory hearing and the <br /> commission needs to take action to investigate this or accept other <br /> information from the petitioner. Vice-Chair Goodenow's point is <br /> very well taken. We're in a position where we've won a trial. It's <br /> been established...the Mayor's not thief...the Mayor's not a liar <br /> and we're moving forward this petition and this petition is <br /> predicated...the first sentence of it says that Mr. Hyland cannot <br /> abide by Mayor being a common thief and remaining in office and <br /> so that has now been established not to be true and we can provide <br /> the commission with a copy of the acquittal if that will assist in the <br /> decision making process here...but I think we're not following the <br /> rules of the commission and now we're being asked to respond to <br /> some somewhat specific although very un-particularized <br /> allegations. There's newspaper articles which during the course of <br /> the last eighteen months have been hit and miss at best. There's <br /> been wide miss-information...at this point Hawai`i News Now still <br /> hasn't been getting right. So we're in a very difficult position...so <br /> we don't even know exactly what conduct we're being accused of <br /> so that we can respond properly. So you know we object to the <br /> process. He's been acquitted and there's been really no evidence <br /> presented to this commission that any ethical violation has <br /> occurred and in addition...the ethical violations that are alleged by <br /> Mr. Hyland I think the first two clearly cannot form the basis...you <br /> know one is the enactment and policies section...and finally the <br /> final allegation....like I said I'm reluctant to respond to it because I <br /> don't even know exactly what the allegation is. You know it <br /> seems to be this general, broad he did wrong and that's a very <br /> difficult thing to respond to in a formal setting. No court of law <br /> would let that go forward and I respectfully submit that this <br /> commission shouldn't either. <br /> Ms. Kahakalau: Well. To me the allegations is clearly stated in Petition No. 2015- <br /> 03 that the alleged violations are Sections 14-1, 14-2, 14-4. So I <br /> see where there is a confusion about what the allegations <br /> don't <br /> are...that's just me. You know when we heard this earlier...we <br /> wanted to make sure that the Mayor got a fair trial and so there was <br /> a reason to postpone that based on that opinion...but the issue had <br /> been out for quite a while...we know what the issues is which is a <br /> 19 <br />