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only several things. One is that ... we don't think it's correct that <br />the Union put the badge on County uniforms that is purchased <br />because it had nothing to do with County business. It has <br />everything to do with the Union ... that's point one. The second <br />thing that I wanted to address is that we had received a letter by <br />James E.T Koshiba that had laid out certain things that he believes <br />you should pursued this"board in favor of the fire ... what I wanted <br />to, state is that some of the cases that he had cited. No it's not <br />really applicable you know it's either misquoted or looking at <br />California's statute for support. The second thing that he <br />mentioned is that having the badge for some reason would help <br />morale and all that and then put them in a special light with the <br />public. You know what ... I don't think that's true because all of us <br />recognize these firefighters as mean first responders and I don't see <br />the fact of having a Union badge as playing any type of impact on <br />that and what it seems to be one of the purposes that is that you <br />know the Union may want to publicly point out that you know we <br />have Union members but they forget to state that you know maybe <br />not all of the firefighters are Union members and then to have one <br />or two firefighters that don't want to join ... you know would put <br />them in a bad light. So ... I would urge the board to basically rule <br />that you know this is against our Ethics Code. <br />Mr. Goodenow: Well I move that we make a finding that affixing the Union <br />material on County property would be violating the Ethics Code. <br />Mr. Robinson: Second. <br />Ms. Kahakalau: Any discussion? <br />Mr. Adams: Can we ask questions. <br />Ms. Kahakalau: Sure. <br />Mr. Adams: Okay. Mr. Kamelamela you identified some ... you quoted from <br />some documents that were supportive of that we don't have access to unless you all have <br />access to. <br />Ms. Kahakalau: I was looking for it as well and I couldn't find it. <br />Mr. Adams: What we have is we have at least as I understand it we have the <br />petition and we have the letter from the Attorney General ... no I'm <br />sorry from the State Ethics Commission to the Attorney General's <br />0 <br />